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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by lukev »

A lot of people in the comments here complaining about the price, but honestly it makes a ton of sense to me. Apple isn't positioning this as a peripheral or secondary computing device.

They are staking the claim (via price and otherwise) that this is a whole computer that you should use for Very Serious Productivity. Whereas the iPad (for example) was always kind of assumed to be a secondary/casual computing device, this is very much not. The price, the "Pro" moniker, and fact that it has specs more in line with Apple's line of laptops than its iOS devices all support this framing.

There are clearly people who will happily drop $4k on an Apple laptop if they think it'll be a good tool. That is who this is being marketed to, not people who might otherwise have bought a Oculus or whatever.

Whether the device lives up to the marketing is a different question and one we really can't answer until we spend some time with it. I'll let you know when mine arrives. So very much depends on the "feel" of the finger sensors and eye tracking.

But I do think it's priced correctly for what they're claiming it is.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by reustle »

dougmwne wrote: post #95
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Early reports are that the Vision feels quite heavy to wear. That’s almost certainly going to make it a bad choice for virtual screens for more than an hour or so.

I’ve done countless long trips on motorcycles and have never been bothered by the weight of the helmet. I’m curious if a little bit of exercise will counter any discomfort with this. Seems other headsets have had similar complaints, too.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ghaff »

globalise83 wrote: post #156
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

I see this as in the same category as 3D TV. Unless they're really into air combat simulations or use it professionally for some kind of visualisations, I can't see people wanting to sit on their couch with a big headset on. I would be interested to try it, but will wait for a rich friend to buy it first.

3D TV didn't even add much to purchase price. I needed a TV for a new room and bought one with 3D but it wasn't appreciably more expensive than an otherwise equivalent screen.There was never a lot of 3D content though. I bought the handful of discs of the good 3D movies and that was about it.

I'd try it as well but if the addressable market is the gamers who hang on each NVIDIA GPU release I couldn't count on this being very interesting. Even console gaming generally is something of a niche market in the scheme of things.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by margorczynski »

ajconway wrote: post #124
mywacaday wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have many people here used the quest as a virtual multi monitor setup, any advice/recommendations?

Quest 3, the DPI looks somewhat similar to a non-retina Apple display. It felt really futuristic to log into my office computer from a synthesized apartment via Virtual Desktop. The latency was fine for typing. Even YouTube video/audio was bearable. But the device itself is still too heavy. The fixed lens system can't be good for your eyes. Apple Vision Pro is even heavier. Even as a hardcore VR fan I cannot imagine…

What is the main cause of the heavy weight? Battery? Auxiliary hardware?

I wonder if those could moved to some package attached to e.g. your waist and connected via cable. If done right it shouldn't be too irritating.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by Fnoord »

al_borland wrote: post #176
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The iPhone was $600 at launch, and when features were compared to other (much cheaper) phones, it didn’t stack up. It didn’t take videos, had a bad camera, slow internet speeds, etc, etc, etc. The iPhone didn’t win because it had the most features, it won because it made the features it had much easier to use… so people actually used them. Other phones could technically do stuff, but it was so annoying to do, no one…

It is also the distortion field. You never heard people say the Nokia N95 (even though it was a very successful device) or the BlackBerry or the Macbook. So regardless, there is no 'the iPhone'. There was an original iPhone which IIRC didn't even have 3G. It couldn't do MMS. It couldn't do copy/paste. It was a crippled device, but it did a couple of things very well. It shows that in order to be successful the first iteration of a new product line doesn't have to be perfect.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by jsheard »

dougmwne wrote: post #95
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Early reports are that the Vision feels quite heavy to wear. That’s almost certainly going to make it a bad choice for virtual screens for more than an hour or so.

There is a variable there in that there's an optional over-the-top strap included in the retail package, but many of the people who previewed it either chose not to use it or weren't offered it. MKBHD for example emphasized how heavy it feels, but he wasn't using the top strap.

https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1747367564093624348

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by hu3 »

ozten wrote: post #148
PedroBatista wrote: post #42

It's an expensive toy for rich people. The good news for Apple: there are quite a few rich people in the World and Apple is a respected brand. I also thought the Apple Watch was a gimmick, but apparently they have been selling tons of those. This Vision Pro thing is different from the watch but also might not be that different, just "up scale".

This is the cheapest and most polished dev kit ever. Compare it to the Playstation 1 dev kit. In 1994 dollars it cost $15,000 for a full devkit. [1] https://www.retroreversing.com/official-playStation-devkit

A better comparison would be 2024 Quest dev kit which costs less than half of Vision.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by replwoacause »

tiffanyh wrote: post #36
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

Yes I remember Bababooey calling it a bit of a stumble.
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