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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by globular-toast » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:35 PM UTC

nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Why would you need multiple virtual screens? With no physical limitation you should be able to have one screen as big as you want it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by saagarjha » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:35 PM UTC

nerdjon wrote: post #108

saagarjha wrote: post #62

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The built-in feature does just one I think.

Yeah that is all we saw in the marketing, and I figure if it was possible they would have shown it since that would be a killer feature. I am guessing there may be some wireless bandwidth issue with transmitting more than one screen but idk. Guess we will see if it just happens to not have been shown

It definitely has the bandwidth to do more than one. Going past two is going to be hard, though.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by scarface_74 » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:36 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #39

nerdjon wrote: post #30

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The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

Yea. Remember all the memes of the iPad being 4 iPhones taped together? It was widely criticized and considered to be a flop by some. A pointless device even.

The iPad had a higher sells trajectory its first four years than the iPhone did its it’s first four years.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by joshstrange » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:37 PM UTC

zarzavat wrote: post #71

nerdjon wrote: post #30

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The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

The things that the iPhone was criticised for - no 3G was the biggest one - were easily fixed in the next iteration. The problems with the vision pro seem more fundamental, primarily cost. Apple really needs to sell it with zero margin or as a loss leader to build marketshare because $3000 is absurd and will really damage its branding "weird face hugger for rich people"

When the iPhone first came out it's cost (even subsidised) was ridiculed. I'm not sure how it compared to BB at the time but for normal consumers it was high, now all these years later it's almost tripled in price and people still line up to buy it. I agree the AVP is going to suffer from the price but I also think Apple isn't looking for this to be the mass market device, more of a way to get the diehard fans in and using it before they make just a "Apple Vision" (no pro). We will see.

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Post by drcongo » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:37 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #170

drcongo wrote: post #157

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I'm not sure it's a dismissal, as in "an iPod Touch with a big screen" is quite a good pitch. Like even now, if we ever get 16" iPads it's just an iPad with a massive screen, but I'd be all over it. edit: so yeah, I agree with you

I have an older version of one of the big iPads. The thing is that I never got into using it for digital animation/art that I envisioned doing at one point. And for routine travel content consumption stuff it was just bigger and heavier--but otherwise not a better experience.

I use mine (12" M1 Pro) as a portable music studio - touch screen is fantastic for this so I vastly prefer Logic on the iPad to the Mac, but it's mighty cramped even on the 12".

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by al_borland » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:38 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The iPhone was $600 at launch, and when features were compared to other (much cheaper) phones, it didn’t stack up. It didn’t take videos, had a bad camera, slow internet speeds, etc, etc, etc.

The iPhone didn’t win because it had the most features, it won because it made the features it had much easier to use… so people actually used them. Other phones could technically do stuff, but it was so annoying to do, no one did it. Not long before the iPhone launched I had a friend get a Moto Q. She was determined to get the most out of it and learn how to use everything. She was carrying a massive manual with her in her purse. The iPhone did those things without the need to study a manual for weeks or months.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by joshstrange » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:38 PM UTC

bvoq wrote: post #162

I would like to buy one for my company without prescription glasses. For employees with vision impairment, contact lenses are the preferred option. Do contact lenses work with the apple vision pro? Does anyone know this?

I'd assume so, contacts work just fine in my Meta quest.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by zone411 » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:39 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #57

TotoHorner wrote: post #22

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Lol when the iPhone came out, literally everyone was criticizing it for how expensive it was. Also, looking at the functionality it had when it first came out, it wouldn't have really been very useful for me (no app store, basically just an iPod + shitty browser + phone). Anyway, does anyone actually think that VR isn't going to revolutionize computing over the next 10 years?

When the iPhone came out, people criticized it for the lack of keyboard and 3G. The price was similar to other premium phones of the time. VR has always been about to revolutionize computing in the next n years. The technology has been available for decades, but so far nobody has been able to find good mainstream use cases for it.

How has the technology been available for decades? There are many requirements for useful headsets beyond just strapping a low-resolution screen to each eye. Even the Vision Pro at $3500+ isn't quite there yet: it's heavy, external battery with a short battery life, has a limited field of view.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by llm_nerd » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:39 PM UTC

I have no doubt this will evolve into a great product, but it is going to take some time.

For those with a FOMO, chill. This is a product that is going to iterate quickly, is going to go through the trough of disillusionment, and people are going to take a while to figure out how it works in their life. I felt zero interest in being an early adopter even though I'm sold that it will be how we eventually work. I'll be an iteration 3 or so buyer.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by joshstrange » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:42 PM UTC

thecal wrote: post #123

FergusArgyll wrote: post #116

I think their big advantage vs meta is no controllers, I also think that is an underrated advantage.

Meta has supported hand tracking since the Quest 1. It works fine but for many high speed action tasks (e.g., games), it doesn't work as well.

> It works fine

It's decent but I don't think I'd say "fine". Most games (if they support both) work a million times better with the controllers. I tried hand tracking in a number of games on the Q2 and found it very lackluster. We will see if the AVP is able to deliver on their promise but already from the demos they've done it seems way more responsible/reliable than what I experienced on the Q2.