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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by noelrock »

Too many people seem to be confusing prior product critical commentary being invalid with all product critical commentary being invalid.

Apple Vision Pro won't do much as a product - it'll struggle for even minimal adaption and will be eventually all but withdrawn within 24 months. The patents etc may eventually lead to a compelling product.

But I'd be very confident I could look back at this comment and be proven correct.

iPad commentary on launch always felt wide of the mark - use case was clear. iPhone was limited at launch but you could see the path forward. Vision Pro feels like it could never be 'evolved' into a mass market product - though maybe the patents could be taken and become something useful, albeit different.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by DennisP »

pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The DPI is pretty critical here though. A big part of their pitch is that you can use this to work. You can open huge windows all around you full of readable text. Seems like it'd be great for coding. Especially since it has the AR too, so you're not totally isolated while you're doing that.

Main problem could be too much weight for long sessions. But it's 600 grams, fairly close to the face with a very wide headband, and custom-fitted. Seems like it might be reasonably comfortable.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by alpaca128 »

astrange wrote: post #77
TotoHorner wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? No, they're calling it a spatial computer because they don't want it to be lumped in the same category as the other VR devices. Because... theirs is $3500 while other VR devices are $400. They literally just built a VR headset... do you seriously not think the Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset?

> They literally just built a VR headset... do you seriously not think the Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset? I think it's an AR headset, which is different. If it was VR it would need better immersive sound, but instead it has a million cameras. But it also has the entire computer in it; "headset" kind of feels like it means a peripheral.

Your description also fits the Meta Quest 3, which is clearly marketed as VR headset. Granted, the Apple device has far better hardware and seems to be more polished, but the capabilities are very similar from what we've seen so far.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by joshstrange »

arjonagelhout wrote: post #11

I’m curious how well this could work for using it as a portable multi-monitor setup. If that works well in combination with my MacBook, I’ll buy it in a heartbeat. Imagine just sitting anywhere, but immediately having 3 large vertical screens with code and documentation.

As others have said I think it just does 1 screen but it's a 4K screen you can make whatever size you want. I run 3 monitors (2 vertical on the sides, one horizontal in the middle) and I love that setup but with a window tiling app I could make 1 big screen work just as well I think.

This is why I preordered it and if I don't think it delivers on that experience I'll probably return it. Productivity is my #1 use case with things like content consumption being a distant second.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by scarface_74 »

ynniv wrote: post #14
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame Historically, reviews of Apple products based on their specs have aged poorly.

I got one better

https://512pixels.net/2009/01/early-macintosh-reviews-show-d...

John Dvorak

> Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by alpaca128 »

ozten wrote: post #148
PedroBatista wrote: post #42

It's an expensive toy for rich people. The good news for Apple: there are quite a few rich people in the World and Apple is a respected brand. I also thought the Apple Watch was a gimmick, but apparently they have been selling tons of those. This Vision Pro thing is different from the watch but also might not be that different, just "up scale".

This is the cheapest and most polished dev kit ever. Compare it to the Playstation 1 dev kit. In 1994 dollars it cost $15,000 for a full devkit. [1] https://www.retroreversing.com/official-playStation-devkit

Except for every device that doesn't need a separate dev kit for development.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by tsimionescu »

turnsout wrote: post #92
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

Yes, same goes for any "first gen" Apple product in a category: The Apple I, 128k Macintosh, iPod, Apple Watch. The thing all these first-generation products have in common (including the Apple Vision Pro) is that they are eminently skippable and usually followed by more popular, better-spec'd lower-cost models within a year or two.

Still, Apple computers were decidedly niche before the iPod and iPhone took the world by storm.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by peddling-brink »

bombcar wrote: post #145
dougmwne wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early reports are that the Vision feels quite heavy to wear. That’s almost certainly going to make it a bad choice for virtual screens for more than an hour or so.

Just tie enough helium balloons to it. Problem solved!

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