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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by zarzavat »

nerdjon wrote: post #30
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

The things that the iPhone was criticised for - no 3G was the biggest one - were easily fixed in the next iteration.

The problems with the vision pro seem more fundamental, primarily cost. Apple really needs to sell it with zero margin or as a loss leader to build marketshare because $3000 is absurd and will really damage its branding "weird face hugger for rich people"

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Post by Hamuko »

plagiarist wrote: post #61
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

"iPad? Why did they name it after a tampon hahahaha never getting one of those. Similarly priced laptops are more powerful and have a keyboard." TBF the early models weren't as good and didn't have the keyboard and Apple Pencil of today.

They also ran iOS without really much adaptation for the form factor. Now it's called "iPadOS" and has functionality that differentiates it from an iPhone. You can even dual screen the thing if you're a weirdo.

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Post by achow »

nerdjon wrote: post #30
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

I had an iPod touch before iPhone came around.

If memory serves right, after first few versions of iPod Touch was out everyone was wondering why Apple is not cramming in the phone functionality as well.

iPhone maybe was criticized by the likes of Ballmer and Nokia/Blackberry execs from business strategy perspective, but I'm not sure that sentiment was universally shared by consumers.

EDIT:

OK my memory has failed tragically. Will leave this comment here nevertheless.

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pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by daggersandscars »

mywacaday wrote: post #21
blixt wrote: post #8

I wonder how the reactions to this headset will play out. It's obviously going to be relatively clunky compared to expectations given that it's the first version. The marketing material doesn't really show the hassle of using a cable / separate battery. The battery only lasts 2 hours. There will not be many apps or they will be low quality. It'll probably be a bit front-heavy from all that glass. Anyway, I got one fo…

Have many people here used the quest as a virtual multi monitor setup, any advice/recommendations?

Not specific to the Quest, but potentially of use to some:

I've done it with a Valve Index and an HTC Vive Pro. I configured a virtual room with huge screens on the walls.

It worked OK. I wished the DPI was higher, but huge screens farther away from my head worked well enough to use Visual Studio, etc.

The issue I had was eye strain and headaches. This was with snap-in vision correcting lenses for the Vive Pro.

I could do a full 8 hour day, but had a low-key headache and dry eyes the rest of the day.

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Post by madeofpalk »

achow wrote: post #73
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

I had an iPod touch before iPhone came around. If memory serves right, after first few versions of iPod Touch was out everyone was wondering why Apple is not cramming in the phone functionality as well. iPhone maybe was criticized by the likes of Ballmer and Nokia/Blackberry execs from business strategy perspective, but I'm not sure that sentiment was universally shared by consumers. EDIT: OK my memory has failed tra…

iPod Touch came out after iPhone.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by astrange »

TotoHorner wrote: post #50
astrange wrote: post #34

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> Anyway, does anyone actually think that VR isn't going to revolutionize computing over the next 10 years? Well, Apple doesn't think so, since they're careful to call it a spatial computer and not a VR device.

What? No, they're calling it a spatial computer because they don't want it to be lumped in the same category as the other VR devices. Because... theirs is $3500 while other VR devices are $400. They literally just built a VR headset... do you seriously not think the Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset?

> They literally just built a VR headset... do you seriously not think the Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset?

I think it's an AR headset, which is different. If it was VR it would need better immersive sound, but instead it has a million cameras.

But it also has the entire computer in it; "headset" kind of feels like it means a peripheral.

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Post by plagiarist »

ericmay wrote: post #39
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

Yea. Remember all the memes of the iPad being 4 iPhones taped together? It was widely criticized and considered to be a flop by some. A pointless device even.

It was kinda that, though, wasn't it? I think Vision Pro might be a similar evolution. IMO this is a tool for professionals and media enthusiasts. After proving out some use cases they'll transition later generations like how the iPad Pro has grown into stuff like graphics editing.

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Post by mdgrech23 »

sytelus wrote: post #29

I was going to impulse buy it but then they have put so many barriers that impulse buy is not possible. You must measure your face and have eye prescription ready! Wtf? I am in my bed and not going to do that for the privilege of pressing buy button. Now it’s not surprising that it’s still not sold out.

I thought it was crazy you're supposed to download an app to measure your head to get your band size when I have two soft tape measures laying around.

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Post by ghaff »

pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

The iPad was arguably rather a pre-1.0 version when it came out.

And I must say I rarely use mine around the house. I'm admittedly not a kid that writes papers on an iPhone and doesn't even want a laptop but it's just much easier to use a laptop for searching/writing/etc.

Doing much less travel than pre-COVID, I'm not even sure I'll replace my iPad when it goes out of support. A MacBook Air and Kindle combo does most things as well or better and weighs only marginally more.

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