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Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#81
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I'm already not going to renew my VMUG membership, and am planning to switch my VSphere cluster over to Proxmox.

Are you using live migration of running VMs, or wanting it to work in Proxmox? Asking because in my testing of that in Proxmox 3 and 5 node clusters last month, the live migration would fail (aka just hang with no further progress) just over 20% of the time. Haven't looked into it further (likely will though), but searching around online shows lots of other people having experienced the same issue. General sentiment…

Check put XCP-NG if youre looking in this space. Its a mature xenserver fork with a much improved interface. Migrations work well, and it has a comparatively inexpensive vsan equivalent that works well if you prefer a hyperconverged route.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#82

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I wonder who vSphere users can even go to

Xen Orchestra is another alternative. But the issue with this and Proxmox is vsphere is not just the web interface. Usually a company has Veeam integration for backups, and server creation/decom automations all built on the vmware platforms...

Xcp-ng has built in backups that can be done in continuous 15 min increments or more traditionally if you like.

Proxmox offers a free "Backup OS" that you can install on a host to backup your proxmox servers.

No Veeam, but they noth have this covered.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#83

I’m at a loss with VMware. We’ve been full vdi since 2011 and can’t afford cloud solutions. Citrix is overkill. Love Nutanix, but can’t use AHV due to VMware horizon. We’ve had zero or thin clients for all workstations. It’s been so easy, until now.

The company we purchased from is pretty sure VMware is cutting them off. We used to deal with CDW, but cdw’s service went to crap

Check out Parallels RAS, we hear the same story from many new clients. Disclaimer: I work for them.

https://www.parallels.com/products/ras/remote-application-se...

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#84
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm already not going to renew my VMUG membership, and am planning to switch my VSphere cluster over to Proxmox.

Are you using live migration of running VMs, or wanting it to work in Proxmox? Asking because in my testing of that in Proxmox 3 and 5 node clusters last month, the live migration would fail (aka just hang with no further progress) just over 20% of the time. Haven't looked into it further (likely will though), but searching around online shows lots of other people having experienced the same issue. General sentiment…

Perhaps the performance of your storage or network isn't up to scratch. I have a 3 node cluster with ceph on ssds and a 10gb network and my live migrations worked perfectly fine.

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using live migration of running VMs, or wanting it to work in Proxmox? Asking because in my testing of that in Proxmox 3 and 5 node clusters last month, the live migration would fail (aka just hang with no further progress) just over 20% of the time. Haven't looked into it further (likely will though), but searching around online shows lots of other people having experienced the same issue. General sentiment…

Check put XCP-NG if youre looking in this space. Its a mature xenserver fork with a much improved interface. Migrations work well, and it has a comparatively inexpensive vsan equivalent that works well if you prefer a hyperconverged route.

Thanks. I looked at it briefly, but the project doesn't seem to be headed in a good direction.

The main interface (Xenadmin) now has an EOL notice as their README: https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin

The other alternative now seems to be a paid solution:

https://vates.tech/blog/introducing-vates-virtualization-man...

That doesn't seem like a good match for my needs. :(

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using live migration of running VMs, or wanting it to work in Proxmox? Asking because in my testing of that in Proxmox 3 and 5 node clusters last month, the live migration would fail (aka just hang with no further progress) just over 20% of the time. Haven't looked into it further (likely will though), but searching around online shows lots of other people having experienced the same issue. General sentiment…

Perhaps the performance of your storage or network isn't up to scratch. I have a 3 node cluster with ceph on ssds and a 10gb network and my live migrations worked perfectly fine.

This was all in a virtualised setup on my local workstation (Ryzen 5950X, 64GB ECC, local mirrored NVMe SSDs).

I've not seen flaky comms between virtual interfaces on this setup before, but you never know. ;)

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#87
post #69

Inaccurate. VMware is consolidating its ABSOLUTELY INSANE list of SKUs down to a handful. Yes, some products are getting put down (I.e. no longer maintained, with support ending way later), but not 56 of them, and definitely not NSX (makes HUGE money for VMware). Source: I work at VMware in presales

You should tell whoever wrote this kb and the associated articles that the language is opaque, confusing and contradictory. Your potential customers will not enter your sales funnel with this kind of strange and misshapen noise happening about your products.

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Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#89
post #69

Inaccurate. VMware is consolidating its ABSOLUTELY INSANE list of SKUs down to a handful. Yes, some products are getting put down (I.e. no longer maintained, with support ending way later), but not 56 of them, and definitely not NSX (makes HUGE money for VMware). Source: I work at VMware in presales

You should tell whoever wrote this kb and the associated articles that the language is opaque, confusing and contradictory. Your potential customers will not enter your sales funnel with this kind of strange and misshapen noise happening about your products.

What I take from several kbs and articles is they're removing all of that as individual products, and they're selling the new all-in-one "vSphere foundation", only in a subscription model, that will have some of those functionalities and then offer some others (like NSX) as add-ons:

https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...

Re: VMware Kills Off 56 Products

#90

@Dang the current title, and maybe article linked, is going to cause a titanic misunderstanding in what's happening. The 1st party link has a much clearer title "VMware End of Availability of perpetual licensing and associated products" https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestac... E.g. it's not that NSX as a whole is discontinued it's that NSX perpetual licensing is discontinued and you must buy th…

I don't pretend to know the true actual reality of what's going on here, but an article about the end of non-subscription licensing from December of last year is linked in the original article. The current article is about the KB article you linked that lists 53 products which it says are, as of today, no longer available under any license and have been entirely discontinued. Again, not claiming that's what's really…

Yep, seems like it's going to be a couple of 'all-in-one' products, only by subscription, with some add-ons available:

https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...

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