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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by Gibbon1 »

jacquesm wrote: post #98
bejk22 wrote: post #85

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> because he's not like the rest of us. He's human and killing other humans is something a humans can do, given the right circumstances.

Yes, but normally you have a fairly high bar to cross before you would resort to such an act, and it would be in the context of self defense or something equivalent. To kill your wife in a premeditated manner is not something most humans can do, even given the 'right' circumstances, most people would resolve a conflict at that level in a different way.

GF mentioned having an ex-bf who before they dated had accidentally run someone over and killed them. She said he had this ever present air of guilt about him. Like nothing he could do would make up for that. Then you got Reiser who likely just cares that he got caught and his life is now fucked. Not everyone is the same. But way more people are psychologically like my GF's ex.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by johnchristopher »

carcampy wrote: post #302
johnchristopher wrote: post #252

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> Here is a popular Instagram account where someone does exactly what you are saying is unreasonable: https://www.instagram.com/salvagetoscenic Except they don't. First post shows them asking themselves if there's a more comfortable way, second post shows them installing a flat surface. https://www.instagram.com/salvagetoscenic/reel/CyGu0vUuXsz/ https://www.instagram.com/salvagetoscenic/reel/CyWqTSSJV7U/

Except they do. They don’t reinstall the seat. And hence removing the seat for the purpose of camping was indeed a reasonable thing to do.

> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.)

> (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.)

> (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.)

Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passenger seat without installing a flat surface over it. That's why the instagram poster did install a flat surface. Because they didn't want to sleep on the car floor. Because it's not flat. It's not comfortable. And because it's not comfortable it's not reasonable.

> As investigators follow Hans, they discover the missing CRX, but something is missing, says prosecutor Paul Hora. "He removed the front passenger seat. Then he completely disassembled, removed the rear cargo area of the car, threw away the carpeting that covered the spare tire and the cover that covered the spare tire."

> When it was Hora's turn, he asked Hans why he had removed the front passenger seat from his car. "He said he removed the passenger seat in order to make a Honda CRX a more comfortable place to sleep," Hora recalls. "His explanations were ridiculous. I mean, they were lies. A Honda CRX is an awfully small car that wouldn't be comfortable no matter what you did to sleep in it."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/betrayal-29-12-2008/

> On October 11, 2006, law enforcement officials said that blood spatter had been found in Hans Reiser's house and car. Forensic testing (including DNA analysis) could neither confirm nor rule out Nina Reiser as the source of the blood. Officials had not located the missing passenger seat of his car. They also indicated that they had found in the car two books on homicide investigation purchased by Reiser on September 8 — five days after Nina Reiser's disappearance: Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon, and Masterpieces of Murder by Jonathan Goldman.[28] Daniel Horowitz, a high-profile defense attorney, joined the defense team[6] but dropped the case on November 28, citing Reiser's inability to pay for his services.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Murder_investigati...

It has never been mentioned that the car was modified to accommodate for sleeping on the floor in a comfortable and reasonable way. The passenger seat, carpeting were removed but that doesn't make the floor flat.

JFC.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by flatt »

hnbad wrote: post #308
flatt wrote: post #295

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I don't live in the US but as far as I'm aware they shot a guy who tried to set fire to a bunch of empty ICE vans so direct action against institutions you don't like doesn't seem to be a winning strategy if you're not enough people to stage an armed insurrection. I'm interested if this really is your approach for "being the change you want in the world" though. When you think something could be improved somewhat do…

No, you don't understand. I don't really care about your politics, I care about the ridiculously extreme risk your toxic optimism causes society without there being an ounce of data to support your position.

You are asserting that people without a conscience and a proven violent criminal past belong back in general society after some hypothetical rehabilitation program. Further, you are asserting that it is the US prison system (and by extension, the US itself), that is somehow failing these supposedly misunderstood people. The reality is that there is no fixing a lack of conscience and giving these people social skills training only gives them more tools to exploit people by. Literally every mental health professional will tell you that. Those that deviate from this position have a strong tendency to end up strangled in a ditch somewhere with their underwear around their ankles. That is why I tell you to shelve your virtue signaling until you actually understand what you're advocating.

You want these people out of prison and moved right next door to me and my family. I merely want you, since you've made it personal, to try dealing with them first... ideally firsthand. Barring that, maybe look into the reality of the situation first. The good news is that if you do manage to fix them, there's a Nobel prize waiting for you and you will be remembered as the greatest psychological mind in history.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jonathankoren »

johnchristopher wrote: post #322
carcampy wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they do. They don’t reinstall the seat. And hence removing the seat for the purpose of camping was indeed a reasonable thing to do.

> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passe…

It warms my heart that almost 20 years later, the same thread is playing out again.

>All this has happened before,

>and it will happen again.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #307
jacquesm wrote: post #275

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Reiser himself is on the record as stating that he killed her because he was protecting his children. Whether that passes that bar or not I'll leave up to you but for me it rules out that this was a 'heat of the moment' thing. In my opinion he knew full well what he was doing, he understood that his kids would move to Russia and be raised there (she got sole custody) and this was his way of putting a stop to that.

I didn't say heat of the moment, I said emotional state. If someone plots the death of a person who sexually abused their child no one would claim that it being premeditated implies they were not in a heightened emotional state.

That's fair but it would still count as premeditated in a legal sense, but there would be circumstances that would likely weigh in as to the severity.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by fl7305 »

scotty79 wrote: post #320
fl7305 wrote: post #262

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Are you a pacifist who thinks that it is never OK to take a life, no matter the circumstances? In that case I understand what you think, even if that is not my way of thinking. If you are not a pacifist, then I don't understand how you think a peaceful society should act when an aggressive neighbor tries to kill all of them?

I think it's ok to take life if it's your own life or help someone to take their own if there are good reasons for it. I don't know how a peaceful society should act if neigbour tries to kill them. I think if that's the case, they made a lot of mistakes already, if they reached that point. Probably the only thing to do is gather your killers and send them to kill and tell everybody it's ok this time. And most likely…

> I don't know how a peaceful society should act if neigbour tries to kill them. I think if that's the case, they made a lot of mistakes already, if they reached that point.

There are literally thousands of examples throughout history of smaller ethnic groups that were completely wiped out by their bigger and more aggressive neighbors.

Do you think these small groups were provoking their neighbors? Why? Did they all have a death wish?

How do you appease someone who is determined to take over your territory while getting rid of your people? What does the compromise look like?

> Europe was destined for prosperity after it no matter who won.

Wow. If the Germans would have won, they would have cleansed large parts of Europe. Do you call that "prosperity"?

Same thing with Stalin. If he had gotten a free rein across Europe, I don't imagine there would have been many Scandinavians left today, for instance. The few left would live somewhere in Siberia.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by kstrauser »

Eisenstein wrote: post #313
kstrauser wrote: post #254

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His letter contends that ReiserFS was intended to be more than just a filesystem, and that jibes with what he was saying about it at the time. I think that it was meant to be a queryable database that happened to be good at implementing traditional filesystem semantics, but also optimally useful through some other kind of API.

Can you explain what that means? What are 'traditional filesystem semantics' and how would it be useful through 'some other kind of API'?

Well, you know how to R/W data with a normal filesystem. You can chdir() to the location you want to be, look around there with readdir(), open() and read() or write() files in there, and all that.

You could also have a SQL-like API where could "select count(1) from all_files where path_root = '/usr' and owner_uid = 0 and world_readable = true" that allowed you to query files, or maybe kernel calls that looked a lot like the Amazon S3 API (PutObject, ListObjects, ListBuckets, etc.) if that turns out to be more efficient for certain usecases.

The normal POSIX filesystem calls are obviously enormously useful. I mean, they've been used to implement SQLite and PostgreSQL, so you can* implement those other kinds of APIs on top of it. I can also imagine it being the case where there might be a much more efficient way to implement specific workflows if you didn't care about all the conventions that POSIX brings along.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by johnchristopher »

jonathankoren wrote: post #324
johnchristopher wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passe…

It warms my heart that almost 20 years later, the same thread is playing out again. >All this has happened before, >and it will happen again.

I don't understand how slashdot can still troll me, I never even made an account on that site. I'll let this go, the hour is getting late.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by _lvbh »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #157
ahoka wrote: post #24

Why can’t people in US prisons access the internet?

Even in supposedly soft prison systems like Norway's prisoners are denied access to the Internet because it is believed that they would use it to further their criminal or terrorist activities. "Bruk av internett i fengsel Innsatte i fengsler med høyt og lavere sikkerhetsnivå har i utgangspunktet ikke tilgang til internett. Unntaket er innsatte som tar utdanning under soning. De kan få begrenset og kontrollert tilgan…

When I was much younger, I actually wanted to end up in a Norwegian prison for the free food and so that I did not have to risk unemployment/starvation after hearing about how great it was.

But no internet? Definitely motivation for me to work hard in life and not end up imprisoned.

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