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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

jacquesm wrote: post #98
bejk22 wrote: post #85

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> because he's not like the rest of us. He's human and killing other humans is something a humans can do, given the right circumstances.

Yes, but normally you have a fairly high bar to cross before you would resort to such an act, and it would be in the context of self defense or something equivalent. To kill your wife in a premeditated manner is not something most humans can do, even given the 'right' circumstances, most people would resolve a conflict at that level in a different way.

you don't know his emotional state, he could have very well passed that high bar internally.

From my recollection, his wife was sleeping with another man, or there was some conflict between the two that was related to another man who I _think_ was supposed to be a friend to them both.

it's been a while, but the point remains, he very well could have been in a state that allowed him to "pass that bar".

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

bombcar wrote: post #264
andai wrote: post #186

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Remarkable. Would it really have been 3 years if he'd accepted? That seems far too low. On the other hand, the first degree homicide seems absurd given the evidence. Did they just give him that because he refused to cooperate, and not because it was actually an accurate verdict?

Everything I've seen indicates that the "court" seemed to think it was a case of "murder in red blood" or whatever they call getting angry and killing your wife these days, with a dose of "very intentional coverup afterwards". Had he driven the car with her dead body directly to the police, he probably would have received the three year sentence or even less.

More has come out since the trial (and mostly on account of Reiser himself making very hard to walk back claims on the record in another court case).

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by martin8412 »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #225
graemep wrote: post #221

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Lots of people who do good work have done awful things. I love Oscar Wilde's plays, but he was a paedophile sex tourist. Eric Gill created beautiful stuff, including typefaces most of us probably use or read fairly often, and he sexual abused his children and his dog.

> Oscar Wilde's ... was a paedophile sex tourist I've never heard of him being into children, have you a link for this, thanks (also, 'sex tourist'?)

Apparently he went to North Africa and Italy. Plus he was what would be called a rapist today.

Mind you, I don't know if this is a reliable source.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/18/time-left-stop-idolizin...

I'm not really a fan of applying modern standards in historical contexts. Times change, but even today the age of consent is 16 in the UK. Condemning him for being 30+ and having sex with 15-16 year old boys just doesn't make sense to me. It seems people try to apply American puritanical standards to a historical person from Europe, who lived in the 1800s Victorian era.

If we were to apply modern standards, you should be condemning over 1B people around the planet for following the teachings of a 30yo+ guy who married a six year old girl.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by kstrauser »

jacquesm wrote: post #189
kstrauser wrote: post #180

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Philosophical question: if "fake it 'til you make it" allowed someone to emulate a human (I like your phrasing here) well enough that they, indeed, act like a human... isn't that good enough? The biblical advice to "judge not, that ye be not judged" seems relevant here. It's pretty obvious to me that it refers to a person's heart , that is, their internal desires and motivations that no one but them can truly know. I…

It would if you would be sure that they'd never break out of character. But that's a tricky question: if someone who has already murdered someone in cold blood with substantial premeditation presents a changed exterior do you perceive the chances of them doing that as premeditation as well as larger than the chances that they've really changed? I'm happy I'm not on that parole board, and I hope they have budget for a…

Yeah, you and me both. I acknowledge it's a lot easier for me to wax philosophical about some person I don't know, safely far away in prison, and with almost zero chance our lives will ever cross. If he were my son-in-law, or dad, or neighbor, the issues would be way more complicated.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #271
jacquesm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but normally you have a fairly high bar to cross before you would resort to such an act, and it would be in the context of self defense or something equivalent. To kill your wife in a premeditated manner is not something most humans can do, even given the 'right' circumstances, most people would resolve a conflict at that level in a different way.

you don't know his emotional state, he could have very well passed that high bar internally. From my recollection, his wife was sleeping with another man, or there was some conflict between the two that was related to another man who I _think_ was supposed to be a friend to them both. it's been a while, but the point remains, he very well could have been in a state that allowed him to "pass that bar".

Reiser himself is on the record as stating that he killed her because he was protecting his children. Whether that passes that bar or not I'll leave up to you but for me it rules out that this was a 'heat of the moment' thing. In my opinion he knew full well what he was doing, he understood that his kids would move to Russia and be raised there (she got sole custody) and this was his way of putting a stop to that.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by bombcar »

shadowgovt wrote: post #121
TomK32 wrote: post #48

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I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

So, this is a reasonable thing to be confused and frustrated about. It's worth remembering that the underlying philosophy of justice, crime, and punishment isn't actually something a society agrees upon. Ask five different people a question about the law, the courts, or the prisons and you'll get five different answers. And the system we get out of that is a hodgepodge of extremely path dependent features based upon…

Someone once said that society forms laws and such mainly to prevent vigilantism, and not really for much else. The remainder is post-facto argumentation about how it was "ok" to do so.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by prirun »

jacquesm wrote: post #209
JadeNB wrote: post #175

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> It's for him to know, but I don't think it's ridiculous for me to question. My reference to ridiculous was to the ridiculousness of my thinking that I have any insight into Reiser's character—a disclaimer at the beginning that I was not presuming to offer any. I was in no way meaning to call you or your statement ridiculous. > I consider it a Bayesian approach to understanding potential internal drivers. Someone wh…

Great comment. For me that fact means that I don't just read it with 'a higher bar' but with the possibility that what I'm looking at is created with the express purpose of deceiving me so some of it reverses in meaning.

Hans is probably high on the psychopath scale, and if you do any reading about psychopaths, the main takeaway is that you can never believe what they are saying. From Google:

What is a psychopathic person?

Psychopathy is a severe personality disorder characterized by interpersonal deceptiveness and calloused, remorseless use of others, as well as behavioral recklessness, impulsivity, and overt antisocial behavior (e.g., aggression, violence). From: Encyclopedia of Mental Health (Third Edition), 2023.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by bombcar »

the_af wrote: post #71
mpol wrote: post #67

A few things that stuck out to me. SuSE supposedly failed. I don't know who told him that. He might have expected it to be a RedHat or Ubuntu by now, which it isn't. But failed is very black and white. I would argue, if they still exist as they do now, they are quite successful. He talks about Reiser V4. I think there is a Reiser V5 now? Or am I wrong? I cannot find that on Wikipedia. Anyway, the chances of it ending…

He does mention Reiser5 in his letter: > I don’t know what is in Reiser 5—I haven’t been told, and I cannot go on the Internet. Edward Shishkin is a very bright man though, and one of my regrets is that I didn’t spend more time with him, I am confident he has done some thing nice in Reiser 5.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Reiser5-Development is the last reference I find to Rieser5, but the link in it goes to what appears to just be Reiser4 maintained against moderately recent kernels.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jbverschoor »

He doesn’t discuss the deprecation at all. Instead he paints a picture with technical discussions of the past, and still sees himself as some great inventor and the cause of many things. Dreams of others etc. Puke

He has god complex, but now also has some verbal tricks up his sleeve. The whole thing felt disingenuous.

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