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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by the_af »

mpol wrote: post #67

A few things that stuck out to me. SuSE supposedly failed. I don't know who told him that. He might have expected it to be a RedHat or Ubuntu by now, which it isn't. But failed is very black and white. I would argue, if they still exist as they do now, they are quite successful. He talks about Reiser V4. I think there is a Reiser V5 now? Or am I wrong? I cannot find that on Wikipedia. Anyway, the chances of it ending…

He does mention Reiser5 in his letter:

> I don’t know what is in Reiser 5—I haven’t been told, and I cannot go on the Internet. Edward Shishkin is a very bright man though, and one of my regrets is that I didn’t spend more time with him, I am confident he has done some thing nice in Reiser 5.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by zitterbewegung »

ahoka wrote: post #24

Why can’t people in US prisons access the internet?

Googling for a bit it seems like it depends on the state [1] and not the federal level. But, email can be sent or received using CORRLINKS but you have to pay a fee for sending and receiving. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_prisons

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_Fund_Limited_Inmate_Comp...

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by sph »

tonymet wrote: post #58
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

Your observations are right but your conclusions are shoddy . We can and should separate ideas from the person . There are plenty of truly evil people though . No indictment of Hans I don’t know his case . But of truly evil people there are countless numbers

I disagree, but this is personal philosophy I do not feel comfortable going too deep with on an Internet forum.

From my point of view, people that are born with evil streak are vanishingly rare, as much as being born with two heads. What happens later is simply a product of nurture, upbringing, context, and chemical imbalances. Pure black and pure white do not exist in nature.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by mardifoufs »

kstrauser wrote: post #56

That was fascinating. It sounds like he’s done some real introspection during his lockup, and I hope he’s able to apply those learnings to future situations. I felt bad for him[0] while reading. He was a brilliant young person with a big dream, yet without the interpersonal skills to help him realize it. I’ve seen that so often. Maybe this will help me look past the next person’s challenging communications, and think…

I don't believe he did. He's just angling for his next parole date as he got denied this year.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by marcosdumay »

hinkley wrote: post #3

I thought the usual solution when we disagree irreconcilably with a maintainer was to fork and rename? I always thought it a bit weird that we were naming parts of Linux after people. We already did that once and that kinda uses up your freebie. Seems like everyone quit Hans and nobody rallied the project back together.

Instead, people integrated the interesting ideas of reiserfs into ext2, and made ext3. This is also a perfectly fine way to handle disagreement.

Also, people quit him way before that thing. He mostly supported the filesystem alone.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by mardifoufs »

vimax wrote: post #57
Joker_vD wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because not being able to freely communicate with the larger society is part of the punishment? I dunno, always seemed like an obvious thing.

Why should prisons be about punishment rather than rehabilitation?

There's a difference between rehabilitation and giving people access to the internet when serving a sentence for killing your wife and tormenting her family for like, 2 years because you hid the body even though everyone knew you killed her. Also, why shouldn't it be a little bit of both?

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by atleta »

dekhn wrote: post #41
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

Isn't that a restating of Metcalfe's law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law [EDIT: I have misunderstood Metcalfe's Law for over 20 years, assuming that "connections" meant edges in the following quote. Metcalfe intended to mean that the value of the network grows as the square of the number of nodes because "connections" here aren't edges, they're fully reachable pairs of nodes. Thanks, again, HN, for he…

> Generally speaking, "the value of a graph is proportional to the square of the number of edges"

No, what Metcalfe's law assumes is that the value of the graph is proportional to the number of edges (not their square). And from that assumption and the fact that the graph is fully connected follows that it's proportional to the square of the number of nodes. (Because you can have (n-1)*n/2 edges with n nodes in a fully connected graph.

And hence, the Reiser quote above is similar but it emphasizes something else: it states what Metcalfe's law (I think) uses as a premise (or implicit claim) that the value is in the connections. Because it's not necessarily a fully connected graph.

Edit: originally I've given (n-1)*2/2 as the number of edges instead of (n-1)*n/2.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by kstrauser »

tussa wrote: post #55
Aloha wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking in general terms, not to the specifics of Hans Reiser's crimes - I dont see why it wouldn't allow for redemption, people do stupid things and get blinded easily.

> do stupid things Yes, we've all done stupid things we regret. But this is not it. This is way to bad to fit in the "stupid things" category.

I’ve said and done stupid things that hurt people I cared about. Anyone who’s been a teenager and yelled “I hate you, Dad!” in a moment of hormonal overload has.

Ain’t killed anyone, though.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by mschuster91 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #50
dale_glass wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was far less of a mastermind than he fancied himself at the time. If I recall, he bought a book on murder investigations and a socket set after his wife's disappearance (which was easily tracked back to him), removed car seats (blood) from his car, and willingly testified in court that it was his manly dream to sleep in the car, or something along these lines. He could have likely gotten away with it if he kept hi…

Makes you wonder how many people do actually get away with it.

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