Ok so now there are officially 4 people with a Windows phone, him, Jobs, Balmer and a mate I know in London.
Jobs is dead.
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The latter, I suspect. In Apple-worshipping circles, they bought the "Android is a stolen product" bit hook, line and sinker, conveniently ignoring the fact that the iPhone's interface was just an iteration on everything else that had come before. They look at the Windows phones and say, "see? You didn't have to copy the iPhone!" They would never use it, but it's necessary to praise it in order to validate their indi…
I think many iPhone fans see WP7 as an attempt to innovate, whereas Android seems more like an attempt to imitate (of course, Android has had many innovations as well). Apple made the first usable and popular touchscreen smartphone, and Androids success is largely due to the fact that Google recognized this and quickly repositioned Android, and I think that's pretty evident by looking at the evolution of the Android…
The iPhone UI looks a lot like an updated Palm Tungsten T3, I'm not sure how innovative it actually was.
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#93its unfortunate hes comaparing all companies flagship phones but when it comes to Android , he's using the Droid RAZR. I would like to see his impressions with the Galaxy Nexus or even the Samsung galaxy s2
I just got a Galaxy Nexus a couple days ago, and my first thought after turning it on was that I wasn't sure where I could touch to do things. They try to be so slick with the UI that it's hard to see the boundaries between UI elements some times, especially with editable text fields, which are just a bottom border---the background color isn't different and there are no other borders. Another example is going back in applications. There's the back button, which takes you to where you previously were, but then there's another button that seems to take you to the parent menu (at least in the Play store, not sure if it's true in all apps). The latter is easy to miss. I didn't notice it the first few times I opened the Play store, because the back button is the application icon. All they do is add a tiny grey arrow next to the application icon when you can use it to go to the parent screen.
I'm used to it now, but it can probably be improved by installing an aftermarket firmware like CyanogenMod. I haven't looked into it.
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IMHO, if you used Android phones 2 years ago (I have, they sucked), you'd be killing to have a Lumia. I find the overall experience stunning despite the relatively low resolution (which is still plenty usable); their attention to detail should have Apple quaking. ICS is just now catching up in terms of polish; and they still have ways to go. I'm using the Galaxy Nexus now, but I was impressed with the Lumia enough th…
So are you impressed with the phone itself or the OS? I get the feeling that all this interest in WP7 started because people really like the phone . WP7.5 has been around for at least 6 months, and style wise its the same as it was late 2010. If Nokia didn't make a nicely designed phone, WP7 would still be as little talked about as it was before and with just as little interest. I agree with Joshua Topolsky that a lo…
The OS, it's absolutely solid. I was using the 710; which isn't nearly as impressive hardware as the 800/900 (I've yet to see one in person).
I should note that Silverlight is equally pleasant to work with, can't say the same for Android's SDK.
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I think many iPhone fans see WP7 as an attempt to innovate, whereas Android seems more like an attempt to imitate (of course, Android has had many innovations as well). Apple made the first usable and popular touchscreen smartphone, and Androids success is largely due to the fact that Google recognized this and quickly repositioned Android, and I think that's pretty evident by looking at the evolution of the Android…
The iPhone UI looks a lot like an updated Palm Tungsten T3, I'm not sure how innovative it actually was.
The major innovation was the scrolling: none of the previous touchscreen phones had smooth, natural, physics-based scrolling on a capacitive (e.g. finger, not fingernail) touchscreen. The home screen is a prettier version of the Palm OS one, and much of the UI is similar, although it feels a lot more natural with animations and without a desktop-style menu bar.
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#97Yeah, WP7's interface and apps look great, they just need better marketing and more hardware - the selection is just pathetic. Also, there are plenty of apps for iOS and Android that don't run on WP7...
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#98Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space.
1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon)
2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent a lot of money on it, invested in software...etc. By contrast, most smartphone buyers just need a phone with an internet connection, decent browser and a Facebook app. Other apps and games are just a short-term bonus that quickly become a bore. Also phones are cheap or free with a contract (in North America at least) so switching after your 2-3 year prison sentence with one of the carriers is not a huge leap of faith.
Having said all this I personally hope Apple and Microsoft lose badly and Android wins. Purely based on principle and to a lesser degree my own mild case of fanboyism.
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#99Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…
Don't forget all the music and movies that you've payed for in one market or another that you might not be able to transfer easily to your new device. Building a complete consumption ecosystem was very smart of Apple and it's why Amazon has grabbed the lion's share of Android tablets with a pretty lackluster debut.
Yeah most music is DRM-free these days but as far as most users know, their iPhone knows how to talk to iTunes and their other phone doesn't, end of story.
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#100Here's why Windows possibly has a shot at regaining a meaningful presence in the mobile space. 1) the untapped market potential is still huge (I myself don't own an Android or an iPhone - although I'll be buying an Android phone soon) 2) The customers gained by Android and iOS are not as loyal or as committed to each platform as the early adopters of the home PC were. When you bought your first PC, you usually spent…
What I hope is that another mobile OS eat Android on its left: even more open, even less linked to big corps. This OS would be to Android what Linux is to Unix.