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Post by untog »

manmal wrote: post #16

I have played around a bit with a Lumia some weeks ago (it was available earlier in Europe), and I have to say I was quite disappointed. Microsoft waited too long with screen resolution upgrades, and its low resolution makes it feel like an Android from 2 years ago. That makes it hard to trump modern Androids like the Galaxy Nexus UI-beauty-wise. The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's…

The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's more natural approach.

I'm fascinated to know what is "natural" about Apple's approach. I think it is "natural" because you are used to it. To me, it feels overly (/incredibly) app-centric. Both Android and Windows Phone (to differing degrees) feel far more task based: "You have a photo. What would you like to do with it?", as opposed to "You opened Instagram? I assume you want to do stuff with photos".

By example, when I look up a contact in my address book in Windows Phone, it allows me to look up my history with that person. Emails, texts, IMs, tweets, everything- all in one place, because who thinks "Dave tweeted that at me" over "Dave sent that to me"? By contrast, iOS keeps every interaction siloed in-app.

Apple's most "natural" interactions result in making the address book look like a leather bound book.

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Post by tedunangst »

diminish wrote: post #70
manmal wrote: post #16

I have played around a bit with a Lumia some weeks ago (it was available earlier in Europe), and I have to say I was quite disappointed. Microsoft waited too long with screen resolution upgrades, and its low resolution makes it feel like an Android from 2 years ago. That makes it hard to trump modern Androids like the Galaxy Nexus UI-beauty-wise. The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's…

I want to say "Woz is the most handsome man in tech business." just to emphasize that beauty is subjective. But I am curious, a lot of praise comes to windows mobile from iphone fans (I am not talking about Woz but many others). Would there be a lot of Apple fans really switching to Lumias or are they simply telling it just to criticize Android?

As an iPhone user, Android is "the same, but different". The Windows Phone sample I played with was actually different. Whether Android cloned iPhone or not, it feels like their design was, in many cases, "do what they do." With WP, it just seems more like they actually stepped back and asked, "What are we trying to do again?" Of course, all three end up being fairly similar, there's only so many solutions to the same problem.

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Post by gouranga »

_gfrc wrote: post #62

Besides that - why would you actually rotate between a lot of devices? Is anyone here doing something similar? I get that it's nice to have a work phone and a private phone, but why would you rotate them? I can understand that someone wants to try something new, but in the end, I would stick to my favourite - not going back to an old one I didn't like.

I tend to do this. Mainly because literally everything smartphone shaped frustrates the living shit out of me.

Ironically I've had a Lumia 710 for about 3 months now and I have literally zero things to complain about.

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Post by chc »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #9

I don't know why the other comment's been killed, but this is blogspam. Original story here, from the ones that actually interviewed Wozniak: http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/apple-founder-inventor-stev...

"Listen to so-and-so interview Steve Wozniak" is hardly what I'd call interesting reading, and I do not want to listen to a bunch of people say "Umm" for an hour and a half just to get five minutes worth of information. It's nothing to do with ADD even — it's just that I have only 16 waking hours in my day, and even fewer free, so that isn't a good use of them. Putting information in text format adds value.

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Post by eddieroger »

untog wrote: post #81
manmal wrote: post #16

I have played around a bit with a Lumia some weeks ago (it was available earlier in Europe), and I have to say I was quite disappointed. Microsoft waited too long with screen resolution upgrades, and its low resolution makes it feel like an Android from 2 years ago. That makes it hard to trump modern Androids like the Galaxy Nexus UI-beauty-wise. The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's…

The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's more natural approach. I'm fascinated to know what is "natural" about Apple's approach. I think it is "natural" because you are used to it. To me, it feels overly (/incredibly) app-centric. Both Android and Windows Phone (to differing degrees) feel far more task based: "You have a photo. What would you like to do with it?", as opposed to "You ope…

A good majority of apps use a hierarchy of views, which is exceptionally natural since we see generations of things everywhere, including our own families. One view is parent to the next, and so on.

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Post by cageface »

In C# I think MS has the nicest language of the three and I can't imagine Visual Studio is as bad as Xcode 4. I'm keeping a close eye on the WP market. If sales pick up at all I'm going to try my hand at a few apps. iOS is stagnating and the app market is absurdly oversaturated and Android is still the public access television of mobile.

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Post by gnaffle »

redthrowaway wrote: post #77
diminish wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to say "Woz is the most handsome man in tech business." just to emphasize that beauty is subjective. But I am curious, a lot of praise comes to windows mobile from iphone fans (I am not talking about Woz but many others). Would there be a lot of Apple fans really switching to Lumias or are they simply telling it just to criticize Android?

The latter, I suspect. In Apple-worshipping circles, they bought the "Android is a stolen product" bit hook, line and sinker, conveniently ignoring the fact that the iPhone's interface was just an iteration on everything else that had come before. They look at the Windows phones and say, "see? You didn't have to copy the iPhone!" They would never use it, but it's necessary to praise it in order to validate their indi…

I think many iPhone fans see WP7 as an attempt to innovate, whereas Android seems more like an attempt to imitate (of course, Android has had many innovations as well).

Apple made the first usable and popular touchscreen smartphone, and Androids success is largely due to the fact that Google recognized this and quickly repositioned Android, and I think that's pretty evident by looking at the evolution of the Android OS. The original Android prototypes didn't look very innovative, they looked like imitations of Symbian or WM6.

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

untog wrote: post #81
manmal wrote: post #16

I have played around a bit with a Lumia some weeks ago (it was available earlier in Europe), and I have to say I was quite disappointed. Microsoft waited too long with screen resolution upgrades, and its low resolution makes it feel like an Android from 2 years ago. That makes it hard to trump modern Androids like the Galaxy Nexus UI-beauty-wise. The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's…

The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's more natural approach. I'm fascinated to know what is "natural" about Apple's approach. I think it is "natural" because you are used to it. To me, it feels overly (/incredibly) app-centric. Both Android and Windows Phone (to differing degrees) feel far more task based: "You have a photo. What would you like to do with it?", as opposed to "You ope…

"By example, when I look up a contact in my address book in Windows Phone, it allows me to look up my history with that person. Emails, texts, IMs, tweets, everything- all in one place, because who thinks "Dave tweeted that at me" over "Dave sent that to me"? By contrast, iOS keeps every interaction siloed in-app."

that's a very good point. And that sounds like a FANTASTIC feature I'd love to have on my phone. your right, if the windows phone is more "people centric", as opposed to "app centric" And now that you mention it, I'd love to try out the windows phone, because it really sounds like they have it together. I think Android could go this way too, there's a lot they can do. But as fass as buggieness, and overall satisfaction, I've had a rather disappointing time with android (only smartphone I've owed.)

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Post by nextparadigms »

ConstantineXVI wrote: post #75
manmal wrote: post #16

I have played around a bit with a Lumia some weeks ago (it was available earlier in Europe), and I have to say I was quite disappointed. Microsoft waited too long with screen resolution upgrades, and its low resolution makes it feel like an Android from 2 years ago. That makes it hard to trump modern Androids like the Galaxy Nexus UI-beauty-wise. The navigation paradigma Microsoft uses is not for me, I prefer Apple's…

IMHO, if you used Android phones 2 years ago (I have, they sucked), you'd be killing to have a Lumia. I find the overall experience stunning despite the relatively low resolution (which is still plenty usable); their attention to detail should have Apple quaking. ICS is just now catching up in terms of polish; and they still have ways to go. I'm using the Galaxy Nexus now, but I was impressed with the Lumia enough th…

So are you impressed with the phone itself or the OS? I get the feeling that all this interest in WP7 started because people really like the phone. WP7.5 has been around for at least 6 months, and style wise its the same as it was late 2010. If Nokia didn't make a nicely designed phone, WP7 would still be as little talked about as it was before and with just as little interest. I agree with Joshua Topolsky that a lot more people would be interested in it if it had ICS on that phone.
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