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1. Lion/iOS-style scrollbars are currently enabled on the nightly builds of the "UX" branch, and will hopefully be merged into the mainstream release soon.
2. Lion-native fullscreen landed in Firefox 14, which is the current "Aurora" build. It will enter Beta in 6 weeks, or Stable in 12 weeks.
In Linux, the Firefox button becomes an awkward-looking upside-down tab in the tab bar, because you're apparently not supposed to intrude into the sacrosanct title bar. (What about Chrome?) It also takes quite a bit of tweaking on the distributor's part to make Firefox look and behave like the rest of the OS (e.g. icon theme and font anti-aliasing), though this has gotten better in recent releases.
But most Apple apps like Safari and iTunes aren't good citizens on Windows, either.
Anyway, I think we should have a bit of leniency on web browsers. Part of the reason for the perceived incompatibility is that a web browser is not an ordinary app. A web browser is an environment in which most people spend most of their time. It's almost like an OS in itself, with its own UI paradigms such as tabs and add-on bars. Therefore browser designers put in a lot of effort trying to polish their UI exactly the way they want, and it's not easy to reconcile that with the native UI of several different OSes. It'll take time, especially since all the OSes are in the process of revolutionizing their own UIs.
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Indeed, and there is no excuse for jerky scrolling and a broken full screen mode.
> there is no excuse for jerky scrolling Unless those jerks have a 1:1 correspondence to actual user input events > broken full screen mode Multiwindow, multiscreen OS supporting only a single maximized window on a single screen, with totally uninformative, pretentious >500ms mandatory transition animation. "Broken"
It’s kinda irrelevant in this case because Mozilla doesn’t actually care about any of this. They are just slow like a snail and incompetent when it come to writing apps for OS X. They don’t want to improve it.
Not that I care.
I have to say, while Chrome has a few issues on OSX, I was really impressed with how quickly they added full screening, Lion-style scrollbars, elastic scrolling, and surprisingly polished two-finger swipe gestures. Hopefully Firefox will get up to speed soon.
I mostly agree, but I find Chrome's two-finger swipe gestures to be terrible. It's really hard to "cancel" a swipe if you've already (accidentally) started swiping.
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Why? You can turn those off globally if you don't like them.
Indeed, and there is no excuse for jerky scrolling and a broken full screen mode.
The only broken full screen mode is Lion's. If anything, I am saddened Firefox is switching to that POS.
I have to say, while Chrome has a few issues on OSX, I was really impressed with how quickly they added full screening, Lion-style scrollbars, elastic scrolling, and surprisingly polished two-finger swipe gestures. Hopefully Firefox will get up to speed soon.
I mostly agree, but I find Chrome's two-finger swipe gestures to be terrible. It's really hard to "cancel" a swipe if you've already (accidentally) started swiping.
I'd just like to say that I'm very thankful Firefox has neither invisible scrollbars nor inertial scrolling. F11 is full-screen in Firefox.
Adding to that, I've no problem whatsoever with Mozilla's choice to not implement these (braindamaged without exception, IMHO) features, as these choices are partially what drives me to use Firefox, and the only feedback Apple might ever listen to with regard to drunk scrolling and suchlike is user uptake. Here Firefox enables me to vote with my feet.
Just be polite, rational, constructive and helpful. Only lazy people turn to these spiteful remarks.
Perhaps we can approximate. Here's Firefox's user feedback dashboard:
http://input.mozilla.org/en-US/?q=&product=firefox&v...
According to this, it looks like 5% of Firefox users are on OSX (or at least 5% of the users who care enough to submit feedback). I've heard (anecdotally) that Mozilla is planning on supporting the features mentioned in the OP, but perhaps it's just not a high priority due to the percentage of their total users that it would benefit (of course, this is a circular argument).
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Adding to that, I've no problem whatsoever with Mozilla's choice to not implement these (braindamaged without exception, IMHO) features, as these choices are partially what drives me to use Firefox, and the only feedback Apple might ever listen to with regard to drunk scrolling and suchlike is user uptake. Here Firefox enables me to vote with my feet.
Friend, using terms like "braindamaged" is really not that constructive. I've seen an uptake in these kinds of posts lately on HN, and I wish you would all tone it down. Just be polite, rational, constructive and helpful. Only lazy people turn to these spiteful remarks.
For what it's worth, 1. Lion/iOS-style scrollbars are currently enabled on the nightly builds of the "UX" branch, and will hopefully be merged into the mainstream release soon. 2. Lion-native fullscreen landed in Firefox 14, which is the current "Aurora" build. It will enter Beta in 6 weeks, or Stable in 12 weeks.