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The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by machomaster »

nickitolas wrote: post #212
layer8 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the writer's style is a bridge too far for you, kindly just close the tab, don't complain about it. I sure hope we are allowed to criticize writers’ styles.

I mean ... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

No capitalization is not a tangential annoyance, it is a major complain akin to complaining about a text written in one block (without anything distinguishing sentences and paragraphs from each other).

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

rkangel wrote: post #10

Do other people react as strongly as I did to the lack of capitalisation at the start of sentences? The post is generally "well" written with good grammar and punctuation so I find it strange - it feels like a style choice. But the style choice just instinctively makes part of my brain feel like it's written by a child.

I admit it annoys me more than it should. It's harder to read, but easier to write. So it's easily interpreted that the author cares more about their convenience than about others. I don't like this attitude.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

aftbit wrote: post #156
rkangel wrote: post #10

Do other people react as strongly as I did to the lack of capitalisation at the start of sentences? The post is generally "well" written with good grammar and punctuation so I find it strange - it feels like a style choice. But the style choice just instinctively makes part of my brain feel like it's written by a child.

Wow a lot of people have very strong feelings about this. Parent comment is fine but some of the replies are quite out there, calling this "arrogant" and "dumb". Let me provide my own opinion. IMO content over style. Nobody owes you adherence to a particular set of rules, nor do they owe you their thoughts at all. If the writer's style is a bridge too far for you, kindly just close the tab, don't complain about it. C…

>> Remember, the same English teachers who taught you to capitalize also taught you that there is no singular "they" and that you should use "he/she" instead.

That is a completely different story. Using "they" is about respect. Using a standard form of writing is about making reading easier.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

jynelson wrote: post #97
bayindirh wrote: post #86

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Oh, hey! Thanks for chiming in. It's rare to see rejection of grammar rules on longer forms of writing, so it looked interesting. Any special reasons? Just because I like to know people through their choices and views. Didn't want to sound rude in the previous comment, so if I did, genuinely sorry (non-native speaker woes).

two reasons: 1. writing in lowercase is freeing. it reminds me that grammatical rules are arbitrary, and by extension other rules. "you can just do things." 2. people who are pedantic about this when it's clearly intentional are probably not people i want to interact with anyway, so it's a good anti-asshole filter ( https://siderea.dreamwidth.org/1209794.html )

>> so it's a good anti-asshole filter

Oh, that is really a screwed thought. You think all people that don't agree with your writing format are assholes?

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

It felt like a depression. But only of the core development. Organisation and ecosystem are evolving. The layoffs by Mozilla in 2020 might play a role here. On the other hand, when withoutboats started writing about async again recently, it felt like the sun rises again.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by hinkley »

markphip wrote: post #3

This is a good description of what life is like working on almost any significant open source project. The only thing not included was the comments from overly entitled users that saps whatever morale and energy you have left. Probably best he did not include that though as that is what all discussion would be about. I am not sure what to do about the burnout problem. The way he described it is very on point though.…

None of this is unique to open source. Something that would be readily apparent to people who do volunteer work on things besides software. Which is essentially moonlighting on doing your day job.

All volunteer organizations have to fight burnout. Any time you start feeling like things won’t get “done” unless you do them, you’re on that road.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by freilanzer »

zozbot234 wrote: post #118
dmorgan81 wrote: post #100

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If we could beam our thoughts directly into each other's head, we would. It would be the easiest way to convey information. Alas, we don't have that ability, so we resort to the written word. If your goal is to spread something interesting don't make it more difficult for your readers by hiding your point behind a style choice that directly contradicts the readers' expectations. Capitalization goes hand-in-hand with…

OP might be a non-English language speaker. Many languages don't use capitalization at all. Some languages don't even bother to put spaces between words, it's all driven by context.

thatsanonsensicalpointtomakesincethisisenglishandnotmongolian

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by rkangel »

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #232
rkangel wrote: post #10

Do other people react as strongly as I did to the lack of capitalisation at the start of sentences? The post is generally "well" written with good grammar and punctuation so I find it strange - it feels like a style choice. But the style choice just instinctively makes part of my brain feel like it's written by a child.

I admit it annoys me more than it should. It's harder to read, but easier to write. So it's easily interpreted that the author cares more about their convenience than about others. I don't like this attitude.

This is close to how I feel about this sort of thing: the author can't be bothered to write properly, but still wants me to read it. But maybe that's a narrow minded view of the situation, due to my own biases.

I wrote the original comment because I wanted to get some view on how a (selection biased) part of the population viewed it. I was surprised by how emotional people got!

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by yencabulator »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #22
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #13

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This generalises to any idealism. You would not think veterinarians to be at elevated risk of suicide, but they are [0], and I think the reasons are similar: a moral dilemma caused by the mismatch between expectation and grim reality which ultimately leads to burnout and desperation. The other extreme is a "bullshit job", work that you don't enjoy and which serves no meaningful purpose. [0] https://www.bbc.com/workli…

I 100% understand why veterinarians are in a crisis. We had to let our pupper go a few weeks ago. The vet had to basically sit there and watch us while we processed the fact that we were about to pay her to kill our best friend. For us, it was the worst day we had experienced in years . For her, it was Tuesday. She had other people waiting in the room next door, and had to go from solemn to bright and cheery over the…

This is why you need to bring your joy & love of the dog to your vet when things are going well, when you're there for routine things. It really improves their day.

We finally found the right medications for my 10-year old loyal potato (she's had low thyroid function, immune system trouble caused by the low thyroid function, a rattlesnake bite on the nose, arthritis, and so on) -- she's now acting half her age and happily jumping on rocks to pose for treats, and it's so nice to share her story with the vet.

Everyone at the vet visibly brightens up when they interact with a happy well behaved dog.

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