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The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by FpUser »

Buttons840 wrote: post #76
mjw1007 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think, from observation, that the Rust project has worse burnout problems than most other similarly-sized open source projects. I'm not sure whether it's more to do with the way the project is organised, the state of the codebase, or the sort of person that's attracted to working on Rust in the first place.

Maybe it's because Rust is new and well designed. People who have adopted it probably care about this and want to maintain it and that's hard. Maybe it's my perfectionism, my desire to build and live in an ivory tower, but I feel this as a Rust user, a fear that they might break some perceived perfection that I care about. I've commented before that "at least C++ developers are free from the burden of using a perfect…

Rust is far from "perfect" in my opinion as any other language. It tackles couple of particular and important problems but since it can not completely solve it for general case it bends people to think in a certain "perfect" way. Not sure it is ok when one has to jump hoops on what should be perfectly valid and logical code just because compiler can't figure out that it is actually safe.

Also as a generic tool I think it ought to support multiple paradigms and it does not. Just because they (language designers) believe that doing thing their way is superior to what others might find more appropriate does not make them right.

Personally - I would use Rust if clients insists which so far has never been the case, otherwise I would take a subset of C++ any time over.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by lawn »

rkangel wrote: post #10

Do other people react as strongly as I did to the lack of capitalisation at the start of sentences? The post is generally "well" written with good grammar and punctuation so I find it strange - it feels like a style choice. But the style choice just instinctively makes part of my brain feel like it's written by a child.

Yes, absolutely.

I feel it's in the same class as not using paragraphs, ignoring punctuation, or having egregious spelling mistakes.

It feels lazy and dumb, and honestly it taints whatever point you're trying to make.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by jynelson »

bayindirh wrote: post #86
jynelson wrote: post #78

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my shift key is there i just have conscientiously objected to it

Oh, hey! Thanks for chiming in. It's rare to see rejection of grammar rules on longer forms of writing, so it looked interesting. Any special reasons? Just because I like to know people through their choices and views. Didn't want to sound rude in the previous comment, so if I did, genuinely sorry (non-native speaker woes).

two reasons:

1. writing in lowercase is freeing. it reminds me that grammatical rules are arbitrary, and by extension other rules. "you can just do things."

2. people who are pedantic about this when it's clearly intentional are probably not people i want to interact with anyway, so it's a good anti-asshole filter (https://siderea.dreamwidth.org/1209794.html)

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by fluoridation »

Excuse the flippant tone, but isn't this just "I treated my hobby as an unpaid second job and I burned out because I was working two jobs"? It's worse than a job, actually; some of the stuff OP says I don't say about even my actual job. I have a set of responsibilities and I just make sure to fulfill them. If my coworkers don't fulfill theirs I'm not going to shoulder them. Am I going to give them a hand? Sure. But I'm not going to do their job for them, and I'm not going to avoid delegating because I don't trust their judgement. If they fuck up, they fuck up; maybe the business suffers, but how is that my problem? OP shouldn't be thinking the way they are even if they were being paid to work on Rust.

Re: The Rust project has a burnout problem

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Post by dmorgan81 »

jynelson wrote: post #78
bayindirh wrote: post #57

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My brain tends to self-correct what it's reading these kinds of posts, and considering the author of the post has replied to the comments here in the same style, I see two options for the style. It's either done for speed, or the shift key is mapped to something else, making typing one-off capitals harder. That might equally be a stylistic choice, but I my gut says it's not.

my shift key is there i just have conscientiously objected to it

If we could beam our thoughts directly into each other's head, we would. It would be the easiest way to convey information. Alas, we don't have that ability, so we resort to the written word. If your goal is to spread something interesting don't make it more difficult for your readers by hiding your point behind a style choice that directly contradicts the readers' expectations.

Capitalization goes hand-in-hand with punctuation. A period is only part of the formula that tells a reader that a complete thought is done. Capitalizing the next letter is a signal that the next complete thought is starting. The reader doesn't have to continually guess whether the punctuation was incorrectly or accidentally placed.

I pushed through your style choice and read the article because what you had to say was interesting and important. But not all readers are going to grant you the same courtesy. If you really want the widest distribution possible do your readers a favor and capitalize things according to the rules.

You used paragraphs and correct spelling, as well as avoiding things like run-on sentences and sentence fragments. It's obvious you want people to your read your work. Whatever reasons you have for choosing to not use capitalization, those reasons are not as important as the message you are trying to spread.

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