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OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by Aeolun »

vkou wrote: post #46
baron816 wrote: post #26

As a liberal raised during the backlash to the Iraq War, my attitude towards the Military Industrial Complex has really changed in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s seemingly inevitable invasion of Taiwan. Add in the possibility that the US could be dragged into new wars in the Middle East and even possibly South America, and I really don’t think we have the luxury to say “weapons bad, let’s n…

> But one of the best ways to prevent China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, etc from saying “might make right, let’s take this land and these resources from our neighbors, since no one can stop us”... ... Is not antagonizing them when they were reaching out to build a partnership, which is exactly what was happening with Russia in the 90s. If you're wondering how Putin happened, that's the decade that you want to be lookin…

Wut? Russia was well on it’s way to full integration when Putin decided to go batshit crazy.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by krapp »

justinclift wrote: post #89
baron816 wrote: post #26

As a liberal raised during the backlash to the Iraq War, my attitude towards the Military Industrial Complex has really changed in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s seemingly inevitable invasion of Taiwan. Add in the possibility that the US could be dragged into new wars in the Middle East and even possibly South America, and I really don’t think we have the luxury to say “weapons bad, let’s n…

> Being the policeman of the world absolutely sucks. It would probably suck less if it was more neutral and without the self dealing / corruption. The "policeman of the world" thing often seems like just a fig leaf / marketing to paper over dodgy stuff. :(

>The "policeman of the world" thing often seems like just a fig leaf / marketing to paper over dodgy stuff. :(

It really is. The US had the advantage of coming out of World War 2 relatively unscathed compared to Europe, as well as the only active nuclear arsenal at the time, as well as every Nazi rocket engineer and Japanese bioweapons expert it could pick up. It basically made the Western world an offer it couldn't refuse - accept American hegemony, military occupation and generous loans for postwar reconstruction or flip a coin on whether Washington or Moscow nukes you into atoms in the great game of superpower chess that would define the 20th century.

It isn't hard to look at American foreign policy as being little more than a shakedown operation.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by zug_zug »

Slightly off-topic, but it's absolutely shocking to me how quickly OpenAI has managed to do a meteoric PR nosedive. I think within 6 months they've gone from one of the most exciting (yet controversial) non-profits in the world to mistrusted company that it seems most people are rooting against.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by m4rtink »

justinclift wrote: post #84
hahnchen wrote: post #5

Important to know: > Anna Makanju, the company’s vice president of global affairs ... added that it will retain its ban on developing weapons

> developing weapons "To improve our response to emerging threats, our SmartMissiles™ now use OpenAI for fire/don't-fire decisions instead of a human operator."

Getting a dejavu of a couple SF books where a party needed to obtain totally-not-weapons, sometimes even including talking an AI into building them (with sometimes the AI even being on it basically, just not being able to acknowledge it due to outside setup filters even!).

Laser flashlights and rapid rescue shuttles come to mind. ;-)

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by gumballindie »

zug_zug wrote: post #103

Slightly off-topic, but it's absolutely shocking to me how quickly OpenAI has managed to do a meteoric PR nosedive. I think within 6 months they've gone from one of the most exciting (yet controversial) non-profits in the world to mistrusted company that it seems most people are rooting against.

A reflection of its CEO: experience creating FUD and FOMO, doesn't create much else, dubious ethics.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by blibble »

gremlinunderway wrote: post #28
baron816 wrote: post #26

As a liberal raised during the backlash to the Iraq War, my attitude towards the Military Industrial Complex has really changed in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s seemingly inevitable invasion of Taiwan. Add in the possibility that the US could be dragged into new wars in the Middle East and even possibly South America, and I really don’t think we have the luxury to say “weapons bad, let’s n…

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given their immediate prior history, maybe those countries wanted to join so they'd never have to endure the horrors of being under Russian domination yet again?

not even the Russian population wants to be under Russian control

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by gumballindie »

cm2012 wrote: post #94

The future of warfare is AI powered drones, zero doubt in my mind. Imagine the micro from Starcraft Go on a real life drone with a gun and bombs.

Imagine once they hallucinate and attack friendlies.

Although if Machine Vision counts as AI then it's already widespread.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by IAmNotACellist »

surfingdino wrote: post #72

> "Fire!" > "I'm unable to help, as I am only a language model and don't have the ability to process and understand that."

Having seen ChatGPT's results when you ask it to solve an ethical puzzle and substitute in various demographics to see how its answer varies (viz. with extreme bias), I'm far more concerned about how its fundamental bias will be woven into systems that develop weapons of war and provide intelligence.
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