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Those of you who are desperately trying to soften the blow - "they're talking about facebook, not OpenAI", "it's fair use, the license terms are irrelevant", "nothing has been taken from them" - you need to allow yourself to think the thought that maybe your AI startup's business model is only valuable because of theft. You need to let yourself entertain the idea that maybe you are only getting paid a cushy tech sala…
It's not theft though
Those of you who are desperately trying to soften the blow - "they're talking about facebook, not OpenAI", "it's fair use, the license terms are irrelevant", "nothing has been taken from them" - you need to allow yourself to think the thought that maybe your AI startup's business model is only valuable because of theft. You need to let yourself entertain the idea that maybe you are only getting paid a cushy tech sala…
You are using the word "theft" in a way which does not describe conduct that is actually theft. Not all of us participate in the form of thought control that has been euphemistically pushed as "intellectual property."
My 2 cents - people often compare this AI to automation that came before say the printing press, or automatic fabric production . But it’s actually far worse. If all the calligraphers drop dead, the printing press still works. If everyone who hand makes fabrics drops dead, the automatic fabric machines continue to develop. But midjourney doesn’t work without artists, it depends on them like a parasite depends on its…
Those of you who are desperately trying to soften the blow - "they're talking about facebook, not OpenAI", "it's fair use, the license terms are irrelevant", "nothing has been taken from them" - you need to allow yourself to think the thought that maybe your AI startup's business model is only valuable because of theft. You need to let yourself entertain the idea that maybe you are only getting paid a cushy tech sala…
Because . . . they're not creating value with their code. It took them years to learn how to code well. All that effort should be contributed to the world for free.
An independent artist who was already struggling now got bamboozled by Midjourney. Instead of listing the Artist somewhere in the midst of a million attributions, every instance Midjourney draws a cartoon in the Artist's style should at least have a (clickable link) attribution to the artist's website.
Artists own a copyright to their actual works. Not to a "style". Besides, all artists learned from other artists and borrowed lots of ideas from predecessors.
Why should we hold AI to a higher standard than we hold human artists to?
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Nah. Even the "good" stuff feels cheap. It's the art version of ho-hos and twinkies. Every once in a while I see one and think, "oh, neat, wonder how they got it to do that?", but usually I'm just left slightly queasy and with a bad taste.
Then it's no problem right? Or are you just in a minority.
That doesn't mean they arent stolen and that doesn't mean they are fine cuisine.
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And from the following day, their paraphrasing of https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/4/23946353/generative-ai-co... is succinct: > Meta: We stole so much stuff that, actually, we didn't steal any stuff > Google: If things were different, things would be totally different > Andreeson Horowitz: But we already spent so much money > Microsoft: Think about how this would hurt the little guys, like us > Anthropic: Fucking sh…
This is a little oblique, but isn't there a parallel to the music piracy debates of the 90s here? The defense of those who steal training data, "It's not stealing because I'm only taking a little tiny piece from a whole bunch of people", seems like a neat inversion of the defense offered by people torrenting mp3s in their dorm rooms. It's worth noting that, back when it suddenly became technically feasible to copy al…
To me, training a model is less like redistribution and more like reading something and having it influence your thoughts. You may be able to reproduce certain memorable sections of things you've read verbatim (common with poetry, for example) and you may well be able to reproduce a 'style', but you don't have the entirety of the source material memorized in a way that it could be redistributed in full (but if you did, that may be well an infringement at such a time).
This is an understandable but at the same time petty feeling to be attached to. Progress is more important than your right to limit the uses of your work.
Hard no. We progress civilization so that we (as humans) may benefit. Progress at any cost is pathological, see universal paperclips as the extreme example.
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It does diminish and hence the question, what is the value the website owner is getting by having their data be used by someone else. (others have called out the same concern).
In your case, you seem to be fine with your data getting used for free. Others are not, especially if the art, data etc. on their website is something they want to earn their livelihood from.
Btw if you can't get MidJourney to create anything that looks like this artist's work, it does not mean it's impossible. Perhaps something with your prompt or perhaps it's something MidJourney will fix eventually. Once it does, the artist has simply lost opportunity to get some value from their own work.
> But I can't even get cartoons to most people for free now, without doing unpaid work for the profit-making companies who own the most use channels of communication This is the sticking point for me. OpenAI isn't a profit-making company, but it's certainly a valuable company. A valuable company that is built from the work of content others created without transferring any value back to them. Regardless of legalities…
As in: we will change the world, all that is required is that we throw away all previous protections! The ends justify the means!
I do see a much more beneficial trajectory for LLMs vs cryptocurrencies, but yeah, this is gross and unfair.
Note: as the days go on, I continue to realize the pitfalls of Utilariansim. I do miss the simplicity, but nope.