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Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Post by foxyv » Tue, Jan 16, 2024, 5:42 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #111

foxyv wrote: post #105

If we cared about birds we would be talking about reducing car traffic and saving more areas for wildlife. The argument against Solar and Wind with regards to wildlife preservation is almost always a distraction.

If we cared about birds we'd be aggressively controlling the cat population.

Cats are mostly a problem because of suburban sprawl. You don't see many cats where there are no human residences. By creating massive sprawling car dependent suburbs we make huge deadly areas for birds. If we instead focused on making smaller walkable communities with public transport, then we could reduce the habitat destruction and have more land for birds and other wildlife.

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Post by dang » Tue, Jan 16, 2024, 10:18 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #409

dang wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? We've had to ask you this before. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In what way was this a "Flamewar" comment?

When I re-read it now it seems like more of a borderline case, but it's still using grandiose/inflammatory rhetoric on a classic divisive topic, which is flamebait if not outright flamewar.

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Post by knodi123 » Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 3:12 PM UTC

joemazerino wrote: post #397

knodi123 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't quite tell in what sense you mean this- whataboutist? defeatist? something else? Anyway, we should all be part of the solution, and also work on convincing the worst polluters to join us. In fact, doing the former would help with accomplishing the latter.

The West already has the lowest carbon emissions out of all major industrialized regions. The worst polluters are India and China, both of which are building more coal plants. Crippling our economy while they build theirs is insipid.

China's emissions are actually set to decrease this year (https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-emissions-set-to...)

And China and India are less polluting per capita than the US. The U.S. has the thirteenth-highest per capita emissions at 13.68 tons, while Russia is 20th (11.64), Japan is 26th (8.39), China is 28th (8.20), and India is 110th with a mere 1.74 tons per capita.

"Crippling our economy" is a one-sided and negative way to view it. I question your objectivity.