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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by conradev »

diggan wrote: post #112
bunderbunder wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. But, going back to my comment about cheap. This claim: > The benefit of this is that you can fetch the data from anywhere Only works if the data I want is being replicated in many locations. But storage in spacecraft is presumably a tightly constrained resource, due to the need to use technology that's space-hardened and has an extremely good reliability record, and is therefore probably far from being both cutti…

> Only works if the data I want is being replicated in many locations Yes, the actual transfer won't be fetching from multiple sources unless it's replicated. The difference between location-addressing and content-addressing is that it enables the content from being fetched from anywhere, which has uses outside of space too, as many storage solutions has already discovered since long time ago (multiple decades). > SS…

You don’t need IPFS or even content-based addressing to get a system like you are describing.

You can add distributed caching to HTTPS with message signatures (or a similar scheme): https://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-messag...

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by robertlagrant »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #103
robertlagrant wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Importantly, this is enabled by content addressable storage in IPFS Can't it be enabled in all sorts of ways? E.g. edge caching, the way YouTube works today?

Coordination, namespace, and addressing challenge with traditional addressing and caching. It’s why BitTorrent is so good at distribution: it is uncoordinated edge distribution, IPFS is just a bit more formalized. Subresource integrity demonstrates why the crypto is needed.

I thought BitTorrent's main strength (although that is one) is that it allows dynamic routing through lots of nodes, so you aren't pulling from a central cache, but from all sorts of clients. That was particularly useful in a world of asymmetric upload/download speeds; many people could upload to you at once, enabling your to saturate your downlink.

That wouldn't be the case on the moon I would have thought, as you won't have a huge network of intermediate nodes to draw on. You probably just have one or two links, which you can push content through en masse.

Tl;dr I don't see why what you're saying applies in this scenario.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by unicornmama »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #29
rglullis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was working on the same building as the team from Protocol Labs. I talked with a couple of devs and it seems like they never even considered that most people who would be interested in running a node would like to have control over who gets access to the pinned files. I think I opened a ticket asking for an ACL system, but it got closed. I really had high hopes for it, but I realized that all I really want is an ob…

ACLs are fundamentally incompatible with blockchains. Your only solution is to encrypt those files, and have off-chain key management if you ever want to revoke access.

But nginx HTTP bridge with copyright banlist is OK…

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by snvzz »

m3kw9 wrote: post #57
pocketarc wrote: post #6

Huge achievement. A big, big stepping stone toward interplanetary communication. But while I love the idea of IPFS, it comes with a bunch of tradeoffs that I think make it very unlikely that it'll ever become mainstream. What I do think will happen in space, is similar to what already happens with PoPs around the world, no IPFS required. As an example: I believe that there will be a YouTube on the moon and YouTube on…

And you gonna have 3 people watching YouTube in space after using millions to send them there?

For your example, sending one copy to space is better than sending three copies.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Nursie »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #75
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Filecoin, Akash, DVPN, Jackal, Helium are all cryptocurrency projects with real products/use cases outside of the circular defi economy/number go up technology.

Helium?

The company that lied about partnerships, structured itself as a way for insiders to cash out on tokens early, then failed to attract any business so pivoted to a new tech and a new token to do it all again?

Helium is a failure and a joke.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahemerson/2022/09/23/helium-...

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by acejam »

Yizahi wrote: post #59
wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

Here's a secret: IPFS is not a data storage protocol. It's a data routing protocol.

Start thinking that way and it will take you to a whole new universe.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by simiones »

diggan wrote: post #112
bunderbunder wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. But, going back to my comment about cheap. This claim: > The benefit of this is that you can fetch the data from anywhere Only works if the data I want is being replicated in many locations. But storage in spacecraft is presumably a tightly constrained resource, due to the need to use technology that's space-hardened and has an extremely good reliability record, and is therefore probably far from being both cutti…

> Only works if the data I want is being replicated in many locations Yes, the actual transfer won't be fetching from multiple sources unless it's replicated. The difference between location-addressing and content-addressing is that it enables the content from being fetched from anywhere, which has uses outside of space too, as many storage solutions has already discovered since long time ago (multiple decades). > SS…

> If the web was already built with content-addressing in mind, my machine could automatically fetch the content from another machine on my network, my neighbor, a dynamic cache at the ISP or wherever, anyone could serve me that data instead of that particular node with that particular IP on the other side of the world.

I don't think the lack of content-addressing is the main thing holding this "utopia" back. The bigger problem is designing P2P communication protocols that work efficiently, utilize bandwidtch fairly, are not easily attackable, do not accidentally cost peers excessive amounts of money and so on. If your neighbor is on a metered connection, I'm sure they are happy the web is not using their machine to serve you content. Even if they are not, if connections are spotty and bandwidth limited, they may not be happy if their YouTube video starts stuttering because their system is now serving you Netflix content. And when they're watching porn, they're probably happy that someone else can't easily find out which porn movie they are watching by polling nearby peers for a content hash.

Ultimately the client-server model has major advantages over peer-to-peer that are highly ingrained in our society. It is the model by which delivery has almost always worked, way before the internet.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

Nursie wrote: post #125
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Filecoin, Akash, DVPN, Jackal, Helium are all cryptocurrency projects with real products/use cases outside of the circular defi economy/number go up technology.

Helium? The company that lied about partnerships, structured itself as a way for insiders to cash out on tokens early, then failed to attract any business so pivoted to a new tech and a new token to do it all again? Helium is a failure and a joke. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahemerson/2022/09/23/helium-...

I don't know anything about their business model, but I do know that they have a real product

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by RestlessMind »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #35

Sure space is cool (or maybe not, but don't want to upset the HN consensus), but this seems like a total gimmick and waste of money, time, and PR.

And I thought I was reading Hacker news, not "only viable businesses" news. Sigh...
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