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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by chpatrick »

thefounder wrote: post #13
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Why the torrents didn’t move to IPFS already? I think it looks more like DoA than standing the test of time. From my experience it’s a “heavy tech”/resource hog hog that does not appeal neither to developers nor to end users(it has no killer app)

Isn't IPFS pretty much the same tech as torrents with magnet links? I'm not sure there's any benefit.

I think the challenge with torrents is maintaining communities of seeders without getting taken down, but I don't think IPFS really helps with that.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by kibwen »

solarkraft wrote: post #40
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

Torrents with extra steps, eh?

It's basically the same idea as magnet links, so you could say it's torrents with the same steps.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Uptrenda »

diggan wrote: post #20
Uptrenda wrote: post #16

The kings of marketing and buzz-words at it again trying to re-spin CDNs as their invention. IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data; doesn't solve churn in p2p systems; doesn't actually 'store' anything. Sounds cool though! Space and shit, some-thing, something 'decentralized' --hand waving-- 'space', umm, can I have money now? I'm doing it.

> CDNs If you think IPFS is trying to "re-spin CDNs as their invention", I'm pretty sure you misunderstand what IPFS. The homepage is a great starting point if you're curious rather than antagonistic: https://ipfs.tech/ > IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data I don't think it claims to solve this either? What it does claim to solve is the persistence of identifiers of data. > doesn't solve churn in p2p systems What…

Cheers, read the paper 10+ years ago. Nothing new or interesting in that time. Very impressive restatements of old ideas introduced by other people in typical pseudo-academic Protocol Labs style. Protocol Labs is famous for reinventing wheels poorly. It's like they look at dated papers and say: 'what can we do to sell this basic shit as our own.' Then they end up with horrible versions of STUN, TURN, hole-punching, DHTs, torrenting, commit-reveal schemes, hash-locks, and other technologies (((that are already well-known and ah... exist?)))

You might be thinking that I'm making this up to troll. But the funny thing is so few people have any idea about this area of technology a company like Protocol Labs can get away with being completely insular, mediocre, unimaginative, impractical, and actually full of shit, and no one will notice. In fact, I'm routinely reminded what a 'visionary' the founder is. Despite nothing of value ever coming out of the company. But what I've learned is if enough people believe the lie it might as well be true.

Now give me money! Space, space, blockchain, space!

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by grumbel »

jerbear4328 wrote: post #37
grumbel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything in your local cache is redistributed, meaning every single website you view through IPFS ends up getting potentially redistributed. Can you guarantee that each and every item you view on the Web allows redistribution?

I don't know how it works legally, but if you publish your own content to a distributed protocol like IPFS you should expect it to be distributed. If content that shouldn't be redistributed is put on the public IPFS, it should be the person who added it's fault, imo.

The person who added it, is not tracked. A file can be added by anybody at anytime and anywhere and it will get the same content address. It's up to the person doing the redistribution to ensure it's legal, but IPFS gives them no tools to do so.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by simpsond »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #29
rglullis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was working on the same building as the team from Protocol Labs. I talked with a couple of devs and it seems like they never even considered that most people who would be interested in running a node would like to have control over who gets access to the pinned files. I think I opened a ticket asking for an ACL system, but it got closed. I really had high hopes for it, but I realized that all I really want is an ob…

ACLs are fundamentally incompatible with blockchains. Your only solution is to encrypt those files, and have off-chain key management if you ever want to revoke access.

ACLs are compatible with some blockchains. Token gating, merkle proofs, and RBAC are fairly common in smart contracts. See: https://docs.openzeppelin.com/contracts/2.x/access-control#r...

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

solarkraft wrote: post #40
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

Torrents with extra steps, eh?

Torrents also rely on content-addressing, they go hand-in-hand :)

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #39
bunderbunder wrote: post #30

I'm still a little lost. Could someone more knowledgeable than me explain how operations in space would benefit from a public content-addressable filesystem? This seems like the kind of application that works best when bandwidth and storage are cheap, and I would have assumed that that, in space, both are about as far from cheap as you can get.

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

Worth noting that content-addressing is not meant to help making the data itself permanent, but it does help with making the identifier of the content permanent.

It doesn't guarantee that the content the ID resolves to is available, but once you have a content-addressable ID, you can be sure you'll be able to get the data as long as the data is available somewhere on the network.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

Uptrenda wrote: post #43
diggan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CDNs If you think IPFS is trying to "re-spin CDNs as their invention", I'm pretty sure you misunderstand what IPFS. The homepage is a great starting point if you're curious rather than antagonistic: https://ipfs.tech/ > IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data I don't think it claims to solve this either? What it does claim to solve is the persistence of identifiers of data. > doesn't solve churn in p2p systems What…

Cheers, read the paper 10+ years ago. Nothing new or interesting in that time. Very impressive restatements of old ideas introduced by other people in typical pseudo-academic Protocol Labs style. Protocol Labs is famous for reinventing wheels poorly. It's like they look at dated papers and say: 'what can we do to sell this basic shit as our own.' Then they end up with horrible versions of STUN, TURN, hole-punching, D…

You sound like you're having a grand time already with some personal beef with Protocol Labs/the founder, so I won't get in your way :) Enjoy

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by jejeyyy77 »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

value of crypto is in the network (aka market).
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