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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by rglullis »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

So is Storj and Sia.

It raises the question, though: I can pay Storj S3 with STORJ tokens, and I can also pay for renterd space with Sia tokens, and I can also pay for IPFS with Filecoin, and all of them still work with good old credit cards. What "intrinsic" value is there for any of these tokens, if they can only be used on their own internal economies?

And before the "but permissionless, so I can pay with crypto!", why not just use DAI?

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by timtom39 »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Running IPFS at scale is horrible. Try to download a few dozen TBs of small files. Its garbage collection is rubbish (ended up nuking the ZFS dataset every couple of days instead), it is very CPU and IOPS hungry, and it has bad network throttling support.

I would claim it has failed the test of time as it has very little adoption.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by thefounder »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Why the torrents didn’t move to IPFS already? I think it looks more like DoA than standing the test of time.

From my experience it’s a “heavy tech”/resource hog hog that does not appeal neither to developers nor to end users(it has no killer app)

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by sandbx »

grumbel wrote: post #10
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

libgen uses it

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by timtom39 »

sandbx wrote: post #14
grumbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

libgen uses it

In practice libgen uses torrents. The available seed nodes for IPFS are... few. This is largely due to the software/protocol being pretty bad compared to battle tested torrents.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Uptrenda »

The kings of marketing and buzz-words at it again trying to re-spin CDNs as their invention. IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data; doesn't solve churn in p2p systems; doesn't actually 'store' anything. Sounds cool though! Space and shit, some-thing, something 'decentralized' --hand waving-- 'space', umm, can I have money now? I'm doing it.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Sanzig »

rudolph9 wrote: post #5
blamestross wrote: post #2

Well the caching aspect of IPFS is useful for space, the transport protocols are way too chatty and latency sensitive for real usage.

The beauty of ipfs is the transport protocols are completely modular. They do a pretty good job supporting a lot of variety a separating concerns via https://github.com/libp2p/specs

Has anyone tried implementing IPFS on top of Licklider or another DTN protocol? Seems to me that's pretty much essential for any "interplanetary" setup.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

grumbel wrote: post #10
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

> there is also the legal problem that IPFS conflicts with copyright. Redistributing anything is illegal by default

I think you might misunderstand how IPFS works, or possibly confuse it with Freenet. When you use IPFS, nothing is automatically distributed, unless they happen to know the hash of the content you've added locally. It's not until someone starts to explicitly request data from you, that you start sharing anything.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by carlsborg »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

How was your experience using filecoin? Were you able to provision storage?

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

Uptrenda wrote: post #16

The kings of marketing and buzz-words at it again trying to re-spin CDNs as their invention. IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data; doesn't solve churn in p2p systems; doesn't actually 'store' anything. Sounds cool though! Space and shit, some-thing, something 'decentralized' --hand waving-- 'space', umm, can I have money now? I'm doing it.

> CDNs

If you think IPFS is trying to "re-spin CDNs as their invention", I'm pretty sure you misunderstand what IPFS. The homepage is a great starting point if you're curious rather than antagonistic: https://ipfs.tech/

> IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data

I don't think it claims to solve this either? What it does claim to solve is the persistence of identifiers of data.

> doesn't solve churn in p2p systems

What P2P system has ever done so or even claimed to have done so?

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