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What Happened to GE? (2021)

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Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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Aren’t the Japanese conglomerates perpetually underperforming businesses that get away with it because Japanese shareholders are toothless?

Siemens is German and 3M is very much US.

Siemens also spun out so many of its divisions over the last years that I'm no longer sure what's part of Siemens anymore...

EDIT: here's a list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#Former_operations

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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When researching washing machines recently, I was surprised to see that probably the most innovative mass-market systems available right now are from GE. They’ve brought out a heat-pump based low-energy use combined washer/dryer* that supposedly performs great - something that can’t be said for existing combo or low energy systems. I was surprised to see innovative appliances from GE! I thought they had been reduced…

People who know about appliances say "Never buy a Samsung appliance or an LG refrigerator." Curiously enough, the most-hawked appliances at Home Depot are...

My samsung washing machine works fine since two years

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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> Conglomerates of disparate businesses never work in the long term Tell that to Yamaha, Mitsubishi, Siemens, 3M, etc

Aren’t the Japanese conglomerates perpetually underperforming businesses that get away with it because Japanese shareholders are toothless?

> perpetually underperforming businesses

Is this a bad or good thing for sustainability?

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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> For example, Gryta and Mann report that GE would sometimes artificially boost quarterly profits by selling an asset (e.g., a diesel train) to a friendly bank, knowing that it could then buy back the asset at a time of GE’s choosing. So fraud?

I'd be interested in reading the book to get more detail on that. Sale and leasebacks (which often include buyback options) are a fairly common capital management measurement in the asset finance sector.[0] GE could have been committing fraud or this could be sensationalist reporting of a mundane financial management technique. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaseback

Even I sold and leased back my own car.

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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It's fraud, but it's legal in the same way insider trading is legal so long as you're a member of congress.

It is fraud when you don't tell that openly and pad books by it, but it is an okay tactic as a hedging risk as long as you are open about it.

Meaning as long as you mentioned it in the fine print on page 497 of your financial statement?

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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What's striking about this article is Gates's refusal, even now, to say anything bad about Welch. Why is that? The vast majority of the bar culture problems are traceable to Welch, as is the shadiness of GE Capital.

Due to that friendship, I doubt the book has real value. It's propaganda for those in GE that ought to be in jail, or at least recognized as at least the "good game players that played by the dubious rules until the field was destroyed."

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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post #119

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Starbucks is a terrible example. That's like claiming the Costco membership makes the Costco retail business the auxillary. Or that Kroger/CVS/Walgreens membership/rewards cards do the same for those retail businesses (when in fact all they do is drive higher rates of return visits and higher sales). The Starbucks business remains almost entirely their retail service business.

Costco is a terrible example for the point you are trying to make. Costco (rather famously) makes most of it's money from the membership. https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/13/how-costco-actuall... In a way, the cheap bulk goods are just a way to convince people to get the membership.

Not really. The card/membership is useless without the retail aspect.

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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post #123
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t the Japanese conglomerates perpetually underperforming businesses that get away with it because Japanese shareholders are toothless?

> perpetually underperforming businesses Is this a bad or good thing for sustainability?

You're suggesting the answer by asking the question, but yes, companies that consistently deliver moderate performance (are less extractive and don't maximize gains) would generally be better for the world as a whole than highly optimized, fragile corporations that deliver maximal returns by chewing up everything in their path.

They'd even, in the longer run, be better for their own shareholders and their descendants.

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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GE exported a lot of the Welch insanity. Anyone unfortunate enough to be forced into Six Sigma training will attest to the agony. This was through their own and licensed training orgs, their people who left to run other companies, and this guy, a sort-of Erdős-for-business that spread a lot of the frobozztik into other C-level offices. (No idea how much of it he came up with.) https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/…

As a serious statistics person, 6-sigma drove me nuts with it's own separate from reality probability tables, and their own separate terminology from the entire history of statistics, and their reasoning methods were simplistic and their role titles were immature nonsense: "black belt"?!?! It really felt to me like a massive fraud. But oh JACK WELCH endorsed it, he's a GAWD! Yeah, I smelt that shitty decay long ago, and I probably got somewhat of a bad reputation for bad mouthing 6-sigma during it's hay days. One of my in-laws was seriously into 6-sigma, had his "black belt", and is a bit of a giant dope, so that did not help...

Re: What Happened to GE? (2021)

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> For example, Gryta and Mann report that GE would sometimes artificially boost quarterly profits by selling an asset (e.g., a diesel train) to a friendly bank, knowing that it could then buy back the asset at a time of GE’s choosing. So fraud?

Gaming.
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