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Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by logicprog »

mook wrote: post #90
jabl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the MPL 2.0 and use it for some of my own software as it best seems to describe the outcome that I want (incorporate it into whatever you want, but please contribute improvements to the MPL licensed parts of the software back to upstream). However, I also think it's fairly easy to circumvent for a hypothetical leech that just wants to use my code without contributing back any improvements. Namely just put the…

I like MPL too (depending on context), but do be aware that (per section 10) Mozilla is allowed to ship new versions of the license and people can choose to use those new versions in place of the version you licensed under. This is not inherently bad — many projects are licensed under "GPL 3 or later", for example — but it's something to be aware of. See also CDDL, which is mostly MPL but Sun (and now Oracle) in plac…

Oh I didnt know that, good to know. Another area where it isn't perfect!

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by bombcar »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #99
bombcar wrote: post #79

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It amuses me, personally, seeing the "antivax" crowd quickly being equalized to all the other various "bad" people - 20 years ago, there was a strong but quiet "antivax" crowd and it was definitely not made up of Trump or even R-leaning people. It was quite the "hippy liberal progressive" if you had to qualify it. But then again, twenty years ago you had all sorts of political positions you could take, now everything…

It doesn’t sound it like it amuses you. You sound kind of miffed off about it.

Fair enough, it's a bit annoying because now you need about five seconds and you can replace almost anyone (at least online) with a tuned LLM without much thought.

It was fun to watch people disagree about things, that's mostly gone in the political world (and that world eats all discussion boards eventually, in my experience).

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by ASalazarMX »

robertlagrant wrote: post #35
sgift wrote: post #26

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Talks about lack of professional seriousness. Goes with MongoDB. Sometimes reality writes the best jokes.

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

And it was indeed written by someone real! Astounding!

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by rakoo »

lmeyerov wrote: post #80
markski wrote: post #74

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i do. what now?

may you and the people relying on you never have to rely on the maintainers taking things more seriously than they've shown themselves to in their public positioning

1. They are the maintainers of htmx, not the maintainers of your code. There is no contract with them.

2. The joke made by the maintainer gives absolutely no insight into how they will behave if there were a contract. If anything, that might mean the maintainer actually is a human that is agreeable to talk and work with, because they don't take it so seriously as to forbid any jokes.

Professionalism doesn't mean "no jokes allowed", it means "do your best".

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by clivestaples »

lmeyerov wrote: post #92
markski wrote: post #87

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HTMX has existed for nearly a decade (prev. intercoolerjs); 1cg has proven to be extremely invested in it, and the whole philosophy around it in general (even being in charge of an "Hypermedia Research Group" at Montana university). To dismiss all of the credibility he has created with his work just because the guy wants to be funny on twitter is nothing short of stupid.

This appears to be the official account, not a personal one. If he wants me to take htmx seriously as a prod dependency, I care about how he treats it, all the way from code to governance to community interactions. He has no such obligation to do these things, this is all his choice. I'm not sure why the contention? If you read my comment, it was strictly about production scenarios, not about all credibility for all…

I see your point but I let the technology do the talking. People focus on personalities but the work is what matters to me. I used to get annoyed at DHH but then I just ignored it and built stuff really fast.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by junon »

p8donald wrote: post #46

If I contribute code to an open source project under the BSD 2-Clause license and don't sign any contributor license agreement, can the maintainer relicense the code without getting my permission?

Yes, unless they change the copyright. You own the copyright to your code contribution. The license only states how the copyrighted code can be used.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by sodapopcan »

lmeyerov wrote: post #80
markski wrote: post #74

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i do. what now?

may you and the people relying on you never have to rely on the maintainers taking things more seriously than they've shown themselves to in their public positioning

I hope whoever taught you that "good software is only written by people without a sense of humour" isn't teaching anymore.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by EasyMark »

MzHN wrote: post #64
saghm wrote: post #8

Is "zero-clause BSD" a joke, or is it considered a legitimate license? If the latter, does it actually differ from the MIT license in anything other than name?

There's also another OSI approved "zero" license called MIT-0 https://opensource.org/license/mit-0/

always preferred east coast in the east/west coast war.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by yawaramin »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #32
isoprophlex wrote: post #20

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Absolute madman Should have gone for the "do whatever the fuck you want" license though

i went to berkeley so i have a soft spot for BSD (even though BSD0 technically isn't derived from BSD)

Would've been really funny if you went with Affero GPL :-D
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