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Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by giancarlostoro »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #40
giancarlostoro wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the reason i did all this is for the lols Do the lols while you still can, the Trust and Safety departments at major social media companies want to extinguish funny. Everyone who does even a smidgen of memeing on the internet knows what happens when you post images of large spiders. People start talking about burning things down, like the entire building its inside of, etc. Someone posted a video where a little gir…

The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already cancelled. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a shiposter is supposed to function: without mercy, without anxiety, without remorse. All shiposting depends upon it.

I mean, I just stopped using Facebook instead, I was an admin for my employer at the times Facebook app (used for login) so I did not want to risk it. It's Facebooks loss.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #52
giancarlostoro wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the reason i did all this is for the lols Do the lols while you still can, the Trust and Safety departments at major social media companies want to extinguish funny. Everyone who does even a smidgen of memeing on the internet knows what happens when you post images of large spiders. People start talking about burning things down, like the entire building its inside of, etc. Someone posted a video where a little gir…

Meanwhile someone was using my late brother's name and face(in a list of supposed "vaccine casualties". My brother died from heart failure after lifelong illness, age 39) to spread vile antivaxx/protrump stuff. All reports denied. It was glaringly obvious she was a paid misinfo troll.

After my cousin passed away his mother took over the account. They used it to spew hatred and condemn people. I don't think the account was ever shut down.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by paulddraper »

sodapopcan wrote: post #58
robertlagrant wrote: post #35

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I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

I wasn't sure at first but on a re-read it now seems glaringly obvious it's a joke :D

I wasn't sure either until the gratuitous "coupled with MongoDB and Kubernetes" lol

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by gen220 »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #60
jbverschoor wrote: post #55

I'm curious, what exactly would a VC or MSFT want with htmx? Just talent? or the actual product/tech?

I don't think there's much VCs would want w/htmx: it's a really simple concept implemented in a single js file w/no moats or obvious market opportunities as far as i can tell, and I'm a one man shop. I think I got the calls because htmx trended on twitter a couple of times. MSFT might want it because it's gotten a lot of attention lately (finished #2 in https://risingstars.js.org/2023/en#section-framework for 2023) a…

VCs have taken a few positions in FOSS recently [1][2]. I also don't understand the financial reasoning of investing in the companies, for what they are. My guess is that it's an option on having influence on relatively influential developers in the mid-to-later stages of their career.

[1]: https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/sequoia-backs-open-source-...

[2]: https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/sequoia-open-source-fello...

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by giancarlostoro »

pgeorgi wrote: post #75
somat wrote: post #70

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Just a question, I don't pay much attention to politics, are the two related? are anti vaxers pro trump? The vaccine was developed on Trumps watch. I figured it was just like any other boss, takes all the credit if it works. desperately tries to shift blame if it does not.

There's some correlation, and while Trump tried to take credit for Operation Warp Speed for a while[0], he distanced himself from everything related to "Covid is a threat" (including "it needs vaccines") when the tide shifted in his voter base and they went fiercely antivax, antidistancing, antilockdown, ... [0] the process was pretty much the same speed for non-participants in non-participant countries, but okay: hi…

I used to watch loads of political speeches, including Biden and Trumps because otherwise you take someone else's word for what they say, and I still remember the boo's he got in one of his early speeches after Biden was sworn in, the entire crowd booed when he said to go out and get vaccinated, then he said "if you want to" after he realized his 'goof.' It was like he was not paying any attention to his base since losing the White House (again this was like his second (I think?) rally since). Then he changed his strategy with his base on it after. So you're not wrong. I think he still brings it up, but briefly.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by markski »

lmeyerov wrote: post #80
markski wrote: post #74

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i do. what now?

may you and the people relying on you never have to rely on the maintainers taking things more seriously than they've shown themselves to in their public positioning

HTMX has existed for nearly a decade (prev. intercoolerjs); 1cg has proven to be extremely invested in it, and the whole philosophy around it in general (even being in charge of an "Hypermedia Research Group" at Montana university). To dismiss all of the credibility he has created with his work just because the guy wants to be funny on twitter is nothing short of stupid.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by hiccuphippo »

singron wrote: post #6

This made me wonder what the shortest open source license is, and it seems to be the Fair License: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_License > > > Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument. > > DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. EDIT: I would not use this license. I'm not sure how this got a…

Is License golf a thing? ChatGPT reduces that from 205 to 130 bytes:

The works can be used as long as this instrument is kept alongside them to notify users. The works are provided without warranty.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by tobltobs »

endisneigh wrote: post #56
osalberger wrote: post #54

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Breaks causal consistency and a bunch of other assumptions: https://jepsen.io/analyses/mongodb-4.2.6

4 years old. Mongodb is at version 7 now.

So MongoDB was an inconsistent DB for at least 70% of its lifetime. It doesn't sound too ensuring.

Re: Htmx changes license to Zero-Clause BSD

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Post by mook »

jabl wrote: post #61
logicprog wrote: post #49

The state of software licenses makes me a bit sad. On the one hand we have open source licenses like the MIT and Apache 2.0 licenses that give corporations free reign to enclose and exploit the software commons without any real limit or any requirement to give back to the things they are getting rich off of, and then on the other hand we have the GPL and LGPL licenses which are too aggressive and stringent, while als…

I like the MPL 2.0 and use it for some of my own software as it best seems to describe the outcome that I want (incorporate it into whatever you want, but please contribute improvements to the MPL licensed parts of the software back to upstream). However, I also think it's fairly easy to circumvent for a hypothetical leech that just wants to use my code without contributing back any improvements. Namely just put the…

I like MPL too (depending on context), but do be aware that (per section 10) Mozilla is allowed to ship new versions of the license and people can choose to use those new versions in place of the version you licensed under. This is not inherently bad — many projects are licensed under "GPL 3 or later", for example — but it's something to be aware of. See also CDDL, which is mostly MPL but Sun (and now Oracle) in place of Mozilla Foundation.
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