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Re: Gasoline is cheap – but charging an EV is still cheaper

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Post by natch » Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 4:53 AM UTC

logifail wrote: post #49

supertrope wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While extra time for EV charging is annoying, when using a gasoline car you still have to stop every two hours to pee, stretch your legs, and swap drivers. Sitting in an enclosed space for hours on end increases the risk of blood clots. So the actual increase in stopped time is e.g. 30 min to L3 charge to 80% minus the 15 min for a restroom/gasoline/coffee break multiplied by number of stops. So an hour lost per day.

> when using a gasoline car you still have to stop every two hours to pee, stretch your legs, and swap drivers Source? My longest ICE-powered trip recently was a ~500 mile trip across Europe with precisely one 15 minute break to pee and buy coffee. A total of ~8 hours on the road, and I was driving alone. On the plus side it was a very nice rented Audi.

My longest BEV trip in one day was 896 miles (1442 km), with about half a dozen short breaks, driving alone. 396 miles longer than your trip in your ICE car. Not sure what your data point is supposed to be proving.

Re: Gasoline is cheap – but charging an EV is still cheaper

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Post by sokoloff » Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 5:02 AM UTC

jemmyw wrote: post #74

jwr wrote: post #14

So much wrong information in the comments here (or, rather, lack of information, because most comments are ill-informed). See for example https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-electric-vehicles-... for a good debunking of many common myths (good showing here). Yes, one should not accept the all-rosy picture of EVs being all-clean and ideal. But my EV a) is 4-5 times more efficient overall in converting energy int…

Every time we get an article about EVs we get commenters here who just like to list the pitfalls, every time, over and over. It's pretty boring. No-body is forcing anyone to buy an EV (yet), so each of us can decide on the merits. I would love to have one, but I cannot afford one. Well, I could, I could easily get finance, but I wouldn't do it. I think if you live in the US, the way people on HN talk about cars, they…

I think people in the US are just entirely too willing to live in perpetual debt and then whine about how expensive everything is and how they can't retire comfortably.

When people find out that we drive a (totally reliable) 2005 CR-V with 235K miles on it and are going to sell that and replace with a 9 year-old 2015 car, they can't reconcile that with me being "able to afford" a new car if I wanted. To them, the only reason to buy a used car is if you literally could't afford something new. It's madness, but I'm glad they buy/lease new cars so that I can have used cars to choose from later.

Re: Gasoline is cheap – but charging an EV is still cheaper

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Post by sokoloff » Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 5:08 AM UTC

supertrope wrote: post #38

ttymck wrote: post #31

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> In my case rough estimates are a stop every 2h or 250km... It's not a big deal. Especially if you can find a place to charge where you will also eat or drink. As a huge proponent of EVs, I have to imagine a major chunk of the population would disagree with you. Most people (in the US, at least) aren't leisurely taking road trips. They are in a hurry, trying not to eat up all 3 weeks of PTO with the annual family ro…

While extra time for EV charging is annoying, when using a gasoline car you still have to stop every two hours to pee, stretch your legs, and swap drivers. Sitting in an enclosed space for hours on end increases the risk of blood clots. So the actual increase in stopped time is e.g. 30 min to L3 charge to 80% minus the 15 min for a restroom/gasoline/coffee break multiplied by number of stops. So an hour lost per day.

Our family experience is that we stop about every 4 hours, usually limited by the size of the fuel tank. Because I have an EV and a gas car (gas car for road trips), I timed several of our fuel stops on a recent trip. Most were 11-14 minutes, measured from driving onto to off of the gas station property. I tend to do most of the driving, and 11 hours a day is around what I feel comfortable doing. That happens to be the door to door wall-clock time for our trip to my in-laws (766 miles). I'd pay a fair amount to avoid adding another 60-90 minutes to that trip.

Re: Gasoline is cheap – but charging an EV is still cheaper

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 7:07 AM UTC

thefz wrote: post #65

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #46

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How do you impose taxes on other countries without taking them over first? Sounds like more trouble than it’s worth. It’s like getting Mexico to pay for a wall the USA is building. China and India have way over a billion people each and still pollute less than the USA on a per capita basis. If you want them to take responsibility for moral reasons, your moral high ground isn’t very high.

Yeah like ostracizing trade towards a foreign country has never been done.

Yes, but that generally involves cutting off your own nose to spite your hand. I assume parent wanted to punish these countries without also punishing Americans.

Re: Gasoline is cheap – but charging an EV is still cheaper

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Post by planet_1649c » Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 2:10 PM UTC

In India, cost of running a petrol car is almost 7x that of a electric car. Where i live, the electricity rate is like 7 rs/kwh and gasoline rate is like 100 rs/l. My earlier gasoline car had an running rate of like 10km/l which turns out to be 10Rs/km price point. While, in an EV, i get like 250 kms minimum on full charge with a 40 kWh battery which is like 1.12 Rs/km. Also simpler maintainance in an EV and much more easier to drive. No vibration and an almost silent drive. Whats there not to like. Not sure why people hate on EV so much here. Even when i use fast chargers in india, the rate is 21 rs/kwh. Which is still 3 times cheaper than using a gasoline car. For reference, the cars were Petrol -> Honda city and EV -> Tata nexon EV Max. The numbers are based on daily drive in city traffic for 40kms of drive daily.

I charge at home every 4-5 days using the standard 15A-250V socket that is present in every single indian home. So, no matter where i go, i am able to find a socket to charge my car. Whether its a hotel/airbnb/friend's place