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ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

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Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#31
post #23

Man I wish no private corp was allowed to contact you without an opt-in. Would really make email useful again....

Yesterday I created an account on John Lewis' website, and I was please to see that during sign-up, they had an unchecked "Tick here if you want our newsletter." Then, later I placed an order, and during credit card checks I noticed a "Tick here if you do NOT want our newsletter", which was of course unchecked and that's how the fuckers got me. Fuck this dark pattern, and fuck the Product Manager that requested it. T…

Check here to receive outlet newsletter. Pre checked.

Or one that’s only checked when you fill in your email, but is at the top of the form so you don’t even see it.

Any legal solution will be bypassed before it’s even in place, or of course ignored

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#32

> As part of this investigation, it was also discovered that the company continued to contact some individuals even after they had requested this to stop. If the messages had an opt-out mechanism that worked, they likely would have gotten away with the other things.

It’s funny how the opt out mechanisms are the buggiest part of all the systems in a company. And the slowest. I had a message the other day: “We will try our best to unsubscribe you within 30 days”. Well, don’t strain yourselves

Yes, all these "it'll take X days to remove this" responses are an excuse. These things should be automatic.

Moonpig won't stop reminding me of the upcoming birthday of someone who has died - I have to wait 2 weeks for something which is painful.

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#33
Good opportunity to repost how HelloFresh is a scammy company.

I got tricked into a very dark-patterned coffee subscription company called Amora Coffee.

I got one of their coupon with a Hello Fresh box. Which, by association, at the time increased my trust in this Amora Coffee company. And now, after being scammed, only ruined my trust in the Hello Fresh company. Never bought it again, never will, and will tell everyone who asks not to buy. I will try to list all the dark patterns that I remember but you can google "Amora Coffee scam".

First, they present themselves as a regular e-commerce selling coffee. They offer a coupon for a free first purchase. The site seems legit enough and they only ask you to pay $1 for delivery fee. It seems a great deal, even if the coffee is not that good, worth trying it. You even think that they must have a really good product to offer a free full-sized sample. Their conversion rate must be phenomenal at this step. But in that step alone there are two parts of the scam already. You realize them only after you paid.

In the receipt, if you took the time to read it and pay attention (how often do people really read the receipt of what they just purchased?), you learn that you just signed up to a subscription!! You are not just buying one bag, you are paying a subscription and, unless you cancel, you will be charged full price soon enough.

The $1 dollar fee is that they need your credit card to be able to charge you the recurrent fee before you know it is a scam (you will know soon enough). They probably charge $1 just to avoid trouble with the credit card companies (they will have a first legitime, undisputed payment after all).

The subscription itself is another step of the scam. You pay every two weeks, not every month as it's the common practice. Also, they claim that to not be charged, you have to cancel the next delivery before it has shipped. In practice, it all means that you have to cancel the subscription (that you never knew you had signed up to) in a week, which is even before the first "free" delivery has arrived.

So, I was savvy enough to get the scam in time by reading the receipt and googling "Amora Coffee scam". So, I just would cancel immediately.

How do you cancel? You have to go to their site, log in into your account and cancel there. Ok, the scammers have not given up stealing my money just yet. To my surprise, the email I used to make the first purchase is not my username to log into their site. I have yet to create an account. To do that I have to input my email and a numerical code that is hidden in the receipt that I got. It is there, but you have to find it with no help at all.

Did I just jumped all the obstacles that the thieves were putting in front of me? No! The "create your account" form just didn't work!! Looking on online reviews you notice that that form is not working for over an year!! It is impossible to cancel your subscription.

So I find a email, send a very straightforward message telling them to cancel. So I have not being charged. Apparently I avoided the scam.

Still, they got that first $1 of mine from the initial purchase. Probably what they bribed Hello Fresh with to steal from their customers.

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#34
post #23

Man I wish no private corp was allowed to contact you without an opt-in. Would really make email useful again....

Yesterday I created an account on John Lewis' website, and I was please to see that during sign-up, they had an unchecked "Tick here if you want our newsletter." Then, later I placed an order, and during credit card checks I noticed a "Tick here if you do NOT want our newsletter", which was of course unchecked and that's how the fuckers got me. Fuck this dark pattern, and fuck the Product Manager that requested it. T…

All the GDPR guidance says it should be opt-in (not pre-checked) eg: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#35
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday I created an account on John Lewis' website, and I was please to see that during sign-up, they had an unchecked "Tick here if you want our newsletter." Then, later I placed an order, and during credit card checks I noticed a "Tick here if you do NOT want our newsletter", which was of course unchecked and that's how the fuckers got me. Fuck this dark pattern, and fuck the Product Manager that requested it. T…

All the GDPR guidance says it should be opt-in (not pre-checked) eg: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

Doesn't really matter when emails are sold on an open market outside the EU/UK.

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#36
post #25
post #15

HelloFresh seems to be optimising for user count above all else (incl profit). They keep offering their big -40% loss leader promos to people that cancelled. Must be costing them an ungodly amount.

That's the venture capital grow-at-all-costs-so-we-can-exit model pretty much all startups want to go for. You know what else grows unchecked until it has consumed all resources of its host?

> You know what else grows unchecked until it has consumed all resources of its host?

Every living thing which has an evolutionary advantage over its competitors

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#37
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday I created an account on John Lewis' website, and I was please to see that during sign-up, they had an unchecked "Tick here if you want our newsletter." Then, later I placed an order, and during credit card checks I noticed a "Tick here if you do NOT want our newsletter", which was of course unchecked and that's how the fuckers got me. Fuck this dark pattern, and fuck the Product Manager that requested it. T…

All the GDPR guidance says it should be opt-in (not pre-checked) eg: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

Given how commonplace that dark pattern is, I don't think our government agencies do a great job at enforcing GDPR.

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#38
post #22

As someone who is stressed by all the spam emails, texts, whatsapps and robo calls in my digital life, I appreciate this news a lot. Great going Mr. Sunak, keep giving them more fines until this "spam business" becomes unprofitable!

Kind of strange to attribute this to Sunak, he has nothing to do with it

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#39
post #7
post #2

Less than a fifth of a penny per spam message. This will not act as a deterrent.

This is the UK. The goal here is a slap on the wrist to tell them to not do it again, with the goal of compliance with the rules.

Yeah but a £5 charge per spam email would also ensure good compliance.

Re: ICO fines HelloFresh £140k for spam texts and emails

#40
post #23

Man I wish no private corp was allowed to contact you without an opt-in. Would really make email useful again....

Yesterday I created an account on John Lewis' website, and I was please to see that during sign-up, they had an unchecked "Tick here if you want our newsletter." Then, later I placed an order, and during credit card checks I noticed a "Tick here if you do NOT want our newsletter", which was of course unchecked and that's how the fuckers got me. Fuck this dark pattern, and fuck the Product Manager that requested it. T…

> There literally should be a law that says you cannot ask a user to check a box NOT to give away their data.

There is!

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