Cloudflare is off my list of potential employers.
Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone
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#103In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) it becomes pretty difficult to get rid of employees once they've been around for a while. Often involving a lengthy "managing out" process. Given this, it's common for a 3-6 month "probation period" when starting a new role in which you can be dismissed fairly arbitrarily. This makes sense given the commitment taking on an employee re…
Her ability to "just move on" may be compromised by having a very short stay on her resume, and no reference. I hope she finds something else quickly but many companies look for any red flags as sufficient reason not to take the risk. This kind of experience has real implications for a person's future prospects, at least for several years.
It certainly doesn't help the resume, but I doubt it hurts very much, if at all. This is sales, people understand the environment/current market dynamic, etc. Potential future employer will understand very well that Cloudflare had layoffs, that she was impacted and that's it.
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#104Saw a variation of this during the recent bout of tech layoffs. Shortly before end of year eval time, a senior executive sent out emails questioning whether it was even possible for new hires to have made sufficient impact and suggesting they should consequently be given a poor rating as the default. It's amazing that leaders at these companies which, for years, acted as though they had all the answers and were more…
> as that can tank a person's entire career trajectory Plus the act of career suicide by publishing company meeting recordings on social media.
I think two things can be true at the same time in this situation:
1) The employee made a poor choice posting meeting recording publicly. 2) The company did an appallingly poor job terminating her.
Certainly this video makes me believe that cloudflare is likely a poorly managed company that treats its employees badly. As for Ms. Pietsch, she may be a low performing employee who made a bad choice to post this video.
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#105Saw a variation of this during the recent bout of tech layoffs. Shortly before end of year eval time, a senior executive sent out emails questioning whether it was even possible for new hires to have made sufficient impact and suggesting they should consequently be given a poor rating as the default. It's amazing that leaders at these companies which, for years, acted as though they had all the answers and were more…
Is the main reason they are motivated to blame performance so that they can avoid paying out disability (edit: unemployment) insurance?
You get UI even if fired unless it was for misconduct. Being bad at your job is not misconduct.
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She might be an underperforming employee who made a bad decision in posting the recording to the web, but that does not take away from the fact that how the employer handled the call was truly disastrous and unprofessional.
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#107Saw a variation of this during the recent bout of tech layoffs. Shortly before end of year eval time, a senior executive sent out emails questioning whether it was even possible for new hires to have made sufficient impact and suggesting they should consequently be given a poor rating as the default. It's amazing that leaders at these companies which, for years, acted as though they had all the answers and were more…
> as that can tank a person's entire career trajectory Plus the act of career suicide by publishing company meeting recordings on social media.
I think it’s interesting how subjective this can apparently be. What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wrongdoing in an articulate way. That’s exactly the type of person I want on my team. I’d hire them in a heartbeat.
Recording and posting company videos is bad in the general sense, but not in this case. There’s nothing sensitive or confidential in the video that was posted. The fact that she posted this specific video doesn’t make me assume that she would go and post other videos that do have confidential information, and if a company is embarrassed by their actions in this situation, that says more about the company than it does this employee.
I doubt this is career suicide. It might even do the opposite by getting this person’s name and situation out there.
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#108I'm glad people are finally outing companies that do this. People need to take these actions into consideration when deciding to join companies like Cloudflare.
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>Wait...the theater major who hasn't closed anything six months into her job (LinkedIn) and was oddly made up with stage makeup for her termination conversation was just "totally surprised" by this?
Ya the guy who posted that is an obvious sales shill. I wouldn't be surprised if he has or wants a relationship with CloudFlare or some higher up in it. He goes out of his way to point out she put on makeup for the call? I mean he's in sales, women have to look good in that profession. What exactly is stage makeup vs regular makeup? What exactly is the point of denegrating her degree? I'm sure he doesn't degrade his own female employees for wearing makeup on any professional interaction. He didn't even get the employment timespans right.
I mean terminations happen, no reason to be scummy about it, Peter. It makes you look really unprofessional too.
Anyway, good luck lady. I hope you find a better company for you.
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#110Saw a variation of this during the recent bout of tech layoffs. Shortly before end of year eval time, a senior executive sent out emails questioning whether it was even possible for new hires to have made sufficient impact and suggesting they should consequently be given a poor rating as the default. It's amazing that leaders at these companies which, for years, acted as though they had all the answers and were more…
>I'm honestly curious how CloudFlare will handle reference checks for these people
Just like every other company: confirm the start date, the end date, and the job title. Nobody in their sane mind will give anything else.