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Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by justanorherhack »

afsag wrote: post #20
nmstoker wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an archaic take on sales. They're not selling fungible widgets, their service is not something to offload on clients who don't want it as then they'll obviously just stop the subscription, with all that's happened being to undermine Cloudflare's reputation and chance at future business. She comes across well, thinks on her feet and is assertive without being even remotely unreasonable.

And, still, she hasn't sold anything in four months. "Thinking that as a salesman you have to sell things is an archaic take on sales."

She was on a ramp aka training then started in q4 during holiday season. New sales don't sell first quarter. She isn't selling lemonade, she is selling deals worth 10s of thousands.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by mccrory »

JazCE wrote: post #26
ceuk wrote: post #8

In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) it becomes pretty difficult to get rid of employees once they've been around for a while. Often involving a lengthy "managing out" process. Given this, it's common for a 3-6 month "probation period" when starting a new role in which you can be dismissed fairly arbitrarily. This makes sense given the commitment taking on an employee re…

> In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) People keep saying this, but I'm not at all convinced anyone commenting really understands UK employment law. It's really only after 2 years of working for the same company that you get any decent employment protection. It takes a bit more legal work, but if within the first 2 years they don't want you, they can get rid of you. If y…

Please show me the candidates that aren’t coin operated by big business. Either party is entirely beholden to the giant corporations and lobbyists. So voting literally does nothing.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by justanorherhack »

kkielhofner wrote: post #48
billy99k wrote: post #2

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> Brittney P. should be worried about her future job prospects. This video is now viral. I would think twice about hiring her. This video reminds me of the cop who was suspended for continually posting TikTok videos of herself dancing while in uniform even after being warned multiple times to stop[0]. Her reaction was to keep doing it. Regardless of who is right in this situation (neither side in my mind) this "blew…

It's actually the opposite imo. With polarizing events like some people will indeed dislike her greatly and judge her for it but others who agree with her position will rally behind her and go out of their way to hire her. As long as there are people in her camp, she has likely received an outcry of support and multiple interview requests with likely some leadership opportunities.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

#74

Post by ceuk »

stavros wrote: post #64
ceuk wrote: post #8

In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) it becomes pretty difficult to get rid of employees once they've been around for a while. Often involving a lengthy "managing out" process. Given this, it's common for a 3-6 month "probation period" when starting a new role in which you can be dismissed fairly arbitrarily. This makes sense given the commitment taking on an employee re…

> As a result, it's very common for people to lose their jobs within a few months of starting. The rest of your post seems to contradict this, or at least it's a bit inconsistent. You can lose your job during or at the end of the probation period , because the probation period didn't work out, but it's very uncommon to be laid off shortly after you've passed your probation period. I guess you mean that this is the US…

Yeah, very badly worded sorry. It's almost always at your "probationary review" when you either lose your job or get your position confirmed (or your probation extended in some cases).

Completely agree with your comment about any surprises being a big fail. I made a similar point even. Not well done

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

#75

Post by bobobob420 »

justanorherhack wrote: post #71
afsag wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, still, she hasn't sold anything in four months. "Thinking that as a salesman you have to sell things is an archaic take on sales."

She was on a ramp aka training then started in q4 during holiday season. New sales don't sell first quarter. She isn't selling lemonade, she is selling deals worth 10s of thousands.

How many times are you going to copy and paste your comment. I count at least 3

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by fma »

Solvency wrote: post #62

Here's a related question: will this video ultimately help or hinder her career? I've always feared that other companies will look at this sort of thing, regardless of who is "in the right", and want to distance themselves from a potential rabble rouser who might bring some future emergent attention to them as well.

Even if 1000 companies says she's wrong, it just takes 1 to agree for her to continue her career. Pretty good odds given the millions of views I'd speculate she has a job next week.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

#77

Post by stavros »

ceuk wrote: post #74
stavros wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a result, it's very common for people to lose their jobs within a few months of starting. The rest of your post seems to contradict this, or at least it's a bit inconsistent. You can lose your job during or at the end of the probation period , because the probation period didn't work out, but it's very uncommon to be laid off shortly after you've passed your probation period. I guess you mean that this is the US…

Yeah, very badly worded sorry. It's almost always at your "probationary review" when you either lose your job or get your position confirmed (or your probation extended in some cases). Completely agree with your comment about any surprises being a big fail. I made a similar point even. Not well done

Ah yes, agreed, spot on about the loss/confirmation/extension.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by JustLurking2022 »

Saw a variation of this during the recent bout of tech layoffs. Shortly before end of year eval time, a senior executive sent out emails questioning whether it was even possible for new hires to have made sufficient impact and suggesting they should consequently be given a poor rating as the default.

It's amazing that leaders at these companies which, for years, acted as though they had all the answers and were more successful than other industries because they worked smarter. And then, at the first sign of headwinds, they want no accountability for their decisions and can't figure out a principles as simple as being honest and treating people fairly.

I'm honestly curious how CloudFlare will handle reference checks for these people, given they are calling these performance based dismissals. Will they say they are "not eligible for rehire" (the HR way of saying they were terminated for cause)? If so, I hope they get sued, as that can tank a person's entire career trajectory.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

#79

Post by InCityDreams »

JazCE wrote: post #26
ceuk wrote: post #8

In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) it becomes pretty difficult to get rid of employees once they've been around for a while. Often involving a lengthy "managing out" process. Given this, it's common for a 3-6 month "probation period" when starting a new role in which you can be dismissed fairly arbitrarily. This makes sense given the commitment taking on an employee re…

> In the UK (and most other places with fairly strong employee protections I imagine) People keep saying this, but I'm not at all convinced anyone commenting really understands UK employment law. It's really only after 2 years of working for the same company that you get any decent employment protection. It takes a bit more legal work, but if within the first 2 years they don't want you, they can get rid of you. If y…

>start voting for candidates and parties that have better employment laws at the top of their policies.

Unfortunately they may have other less savoury policies. Which is [one of several reasons] why I don't vote.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

#80

Post by Rebelgecko »

afsag wrote: post #20
nmstoker wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an archaic take on sales. They're not selling fungible widgets, their service is not something to offload on clients who don't want it as then they'll obviously just stop the subscription, with all that's happened being to undermine Cloudflare's reputation and chance at future business. She comes across well, thinks on her feet and is assertive without being even remotely unreasonable.

And, still, she hasn't sold anything in four months. "Thinking that as a salesman you have to sell things is an archaic take on sales."

Is December normally a good month for sales? I'd imagine it'd be the worst- budgets exhausted at EOY, yourself and your potential customers taking vacation time, etc. plus I imagine there can be latency with boring logistics like getting paperwork signed.
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