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Post by matheusmoreira »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #369
matheusmoreira wrote: post #360

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> rigorous A/B testing Also known as unethical, non-consensual human experimentation for profit maximization purposes.

I hate what advertising has done to the modern web just as much as anyone, but this strikes me as hyperbole. Does making this sort of claim not make you… tired? What’s the point of arguing like this? Nazi Germany and the Tuskegee Experiment are examples of “unethical, non-consensual human experimentation”. A/B testing features of software usually doesn’t make the same list.

> Does making this sort of claim not make you… tired?

Nope. Being used as an unwitting guinea pig for a trillion dollar corporation sure as hell makes me tired though. It's extremely tiresome and demoralizing, knowing that just so much as browsing their website contributes to their profits.

Basically we should have to consent for them to profit off of us in any way.

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Post by maxbond »

davidparks21 wrote: post #583
maxbond wrote: post #580

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Why do you suggest that? What do you think the seller's goal was in employing an LLM? Was it to improve quality, or to drive down costs?

I suspect someone was tasked with using the latest tools to improve a bunch of listings. 50 years ago they were given a typewriter for the same task, today they were given an LLM. It just feels like someone doing their job to me. Different year different tool. We no longer hand-transcribing books anymore, we don't lament that, and we won't lament LLMs one day either.

I think the purpose of automating product descriptions is far more likely to be to pay fewer people than to improve the quality of the listings.

I think if the purpose was to improve the quality rather than to crank them out - they probably wouldn't have let such severe and obvious errors get through, certainly not in such a large quantity. If I was tasked with doing this, at a minimum I would kick any listing that contained the word "OpenAI" into a QA queue rather than publishing it. Since they obviously didn't have even the minimal filters to catch errors, I have to infer they never spot checked their output for sanity. Because they didn't really give a shit.

It feels like someone doing their job to me too, sure. That job being to spam. When I see a watch, I infer the existence of a watchmaker. When I see a pile of spam, I infer the existence of a spammer.

Re: I'm sorry but I cannot fulfill this request it goes against OpenAI use policy

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Post by pompino »

BizarreByte wrote: post #586
pompino wrote: post #509

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In a democracy you have to make a case for it. I don't want the government spending tax dollars so they can recommend which sneakers or USB power adapter I can buy. Curation of a marketplace is not an essential service by any stretch of the imagination.

> USB power adapter I can buy Until your house burn downs or it destroys your phone. Minimum enforced standards are a good thing because the vast majority of consumers are not capable of evaluating the safety and compatibility of devices. You can't just trust the seller or people you know about a power supply (in this example) being safe.

Amazon does not enforce electrical standards, nor does any store anywhere in the world. Where do you guys come from making these extremist arguments? Just.... wow.

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Post by lights0123 »

neom wrote: post #579
metadat wrote: post #576

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https://archive.ph/HWjVX Okay, too funny description: Nature's Dicks Calendar Book Why You'll Admire This Calendar: - Ample Size: Measuring a generous 8.5 x 11 inches when closed and an expansive 17 x 22 inches when open, it boasts 30 exquisite high-quality animal images. - Exquisite Imagery: Revel in captivating photographs that beautifully depict animals thriving in their natural environments. - Extended Coverage:…

a thoughtful gesture! suitable for any occasion! Do you think this description was GPT'd also?

"a testament to our unwavering commitment to printing excellence" is almost certainly a GPT output—I get this self-praise often when trying to use ChatGPT 4 for marketing text.

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Post by msla »

busymom0 wrote: post #541
pixl97 wrote: post #535

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I snapped a screenshot of it when this article was fresh https://i.imgur.com/EmSKgP6.png

Imgur gives a 404 not found error for me..

https://web.archive.org/web/20240113013404/https://i.imgur.c...

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Post by matheusmoreira »

whitexn--g28h wrote: post #394
matheusmoreira wrote: post #360

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> rigorous A/B testing Also known as unethical, non-consensual human experimentation for profit maximization purposes.

You are consenting to the experimentation by accessing the software. It’s covered by the terms and conditions.

> terms and conditions

Nobody reads that stuff.

Re: I'm sorry but I cannot fulfill this request it goes against OpenAI use policy

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stanleydrew wrote: post #408
matheusmoreira wrote: post #360

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> rigorous A/B testing Also known as unethical, non-consensual human experimentation for profit maximization purposes.

I don't expect you to back off of your take, but you should really consider how and why you came to this conclusion. If I put two different marketing messages on two different billboards to test whether one is more effective than the other, is that unethical non-consensual experimentation? If not, how is it different from A/B testing?

> you should really consider how and why you came to this conclusion.

Why? Is it false?

I get that reaction a lot. People have directly called me unhinged. I don't really mind.

Many of my ideas I developed by discussing this stuff with people on this site. I guess not every idea is socially acceptable. That's fine. I still want to express them.

> is that unethical non-consensual experimentation?

Yes. It's really not any different than some published psychology experiment. In fact it's much larger in scale, has much uglier interests behind it, has proprietary and unpublished results. Social sciences wish they could get away with shit like this!

Only reason it's "legitimate" is everyone depends on it to make their millions. Because money excuses everything. Just like unending amounts of first party malware corporations ship to users on a daily basis. We used to recognize that stuff as the malware it is: adware, spyware. But then corporations started doing the same thing and suddenly it's "legitimate" because they put some clause in some terms nobody reads.

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Post by kirubakaran »

rootusrootus wrote: post #406
j-bos wrote: post #388

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@dang request to swap the main url for context

I recommend clicking on 'Contact' at the bottom of the page, dang doesn't get any notifications of these comments and probably won't see it.

I think he reads every single comment
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