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Post by wolverine876 »

brightball wrote: post #125
tw04 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And government should only have as much power as you think the worst possible people in charge should have. This immediately falls apart, by that logic we should literally have no government or society to speak of. "Only as much power as you think the worst possible person should have" would mean literally no power - there isn't a single decision in my life I would pass off to the worst person I could think of. Wha…

> there isn't a single decision in my life I would pass off to the worst person I could think of This is actually the point though. You shouldn't have to give power to an individual. If you're going to, you should give that power to a group of individuals who have to agree for the thing to move forward. And then have checks on that group as well. I live in South Carolina and one of the things I like about how this st…

> I live in South Carolina and one of the things I like about how this state works is that the governor is virtually powerless, so you never really have to worry about who is elected. There's certainly some degree of power outside of the veto, but for the most part the real power is with the state senate.

Don't be reactive to the current successful tactic. The senate GOP has organized and wields their power effectively; the governor has not gathered and organized power. In a different scenario, with a different people, it could be the other way.

Re: US regulator considers stripping Boeing's right to self-inspect planes

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Post by pyuser583 »

wanderingmind wrote: post #101

As an aside, For all those who talk about corruption and getting money out of politics I suggest reading Federalist 10 by Madison. Its a deep analysis of a need for a republican democracy. Any government that depends on human virtuousness will fail. The only way to have a sustainable government is to have strong checks and balances and putting multiple factions with different interests against one another.

Sounds very Puritan.

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Post by blibble »

InTheArena wrote: post #234
blibble wrote: post #221

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> Absolute monarchy was still a thread at this time. The Civil War (1642-1651) was the last attempt at absolute monarchy in England then Bill of Rights (1688) put it well and truly to bed when Parliament decided they didn't like the current king and picked someone else, simultaneously stripping them of their powers it was well and truly dead by the time of the rebellion

Absolute monarchy never really existed in England. There is more to the world then England, and monarchy as government is still a thing. After all, a short hop-skip-jump across the channel, there is a French king soon to lose his head.

> Absolute monarchy never really existed in England.

of course it did

I suspect my English history is better than yours!

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Post by pi-e-sigma »

mulmen wrote: post #217
pi-e-sigma wrote: post #200

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Just google what they do when they don't like some trades

The standard for corruption is higher than “I don’t like your decision.”

So you think anyone can get their trades reverted on the stock exchange if they ask nicely? Oopsie, I clicked the wrong button, now please revert the trade that lost me some money. If some get such preferential treatment it's clear cut case of corruption, you don't need to catch them with the proverbial smoking gun to know it

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Post by dpkirchner »

gretch wrote: post #190
tw04 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And government should only have as much power as you think the worst possible people in charge should have. This immediately falls apart, by that logic we should literally have no government or society to speak of. "Only as much power as you think the worst possible person should have" would mean literally no power - there isn't a single decision in my life I would pass off to the worst person I could think of. Wha…

In addition to all of the theoretical responses provided, I would also say that the US has withstood the test (so far). Trump is probably one of the “worst”* people and held the highest office. And yet despite the fact that it happened, the US is still chugging along. Bad things happened but the quality of life is similar to pre-trump presidency (as long as you are willing to discount for covid’s impact on the world)…

> Bad things happened but the quality of life is similar to pre-trump presidency (as long as you are willing to discount for covid’s impact on the world).

And are male, of course.

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Post by hash872 »

pimlottc wrote: post #249
hash872 wrote: post #164

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>nothing is gonna change that living in Montana is nothing like living in Florida The problem with this argument is that Montana and Florida vote for the same political party, and then their representatives generally vote the same way once in Congress

I don’t think that necessarily follows; you could argue that rather it’s because states are so different that the best (national) strategy is to have a broad uniform national platform that can appeal to the most voters. Our political (electorally and procedurally) system does not favor having a multitude of regionally distinct parties.

>Our political (electorally and procedurally) system does not favor having a multitude of regionally distinct parties

We use FPTP, which famously does favor having regionally distinct parties. Smaller parties can get outsized seats in the legislature by running up the vote in just a few districts, whereas if they had the same number of voters nationally but were spread out they'd get 0 seats. If you looked at all of the electoral systems globally and said 'pick the 1 that favors regionally distinct parties the most', it'd be FPTP.

In the UK which also uses FPTP the Lib Dems got 11.5% of the vote nationally and 11 seats in the last election. The SNP got 3.8% of the vote and 48 seats

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Post by soperj »

wanderingmind wrote: post #101

As an aside, For all those who talk about corruption and getting money out of politics I suggest reading Federalist 10 by Madison. Its a deep analysis of a need for a republican democracy. Any government that depends on human virtuousness will fail. The only way to have a sustainable government is to have strong checks and balances and putting multiple factions with different interests against one another.

> putting multiple factions with different interests against one another

wasn't that how we ended up with WW1?

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Post by blibble »

InTheArena wrote: post #231
blibble wrote: post #222

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> Every country has adopted American Republicanism with a clearly defined and written constitution that has some form of separation of powers. the UK has none of this and its current system of government predates the US

The modern UK state has superficial resemblances - primarily in a shiny ceremonies with colonial era Britain,

the franchise widened and there have been some minor tweaks (e.g. devolution), but the fundamental system has remained essentially unchanged since the Civil War
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