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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by mantas »

wvenable wrote: post #879
dotnet00 wrote: post #876

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The point is that you are not a reliable judge of what is evil and thus not a reliable judge of what should not be tolerated. Since apparently it still isn't clear to you what they're saying, Nazis, like many other authoritarian regimes, punished criticism of them. That has the exact same logic as yours, they think they're doing the right thing, thus criticizing them is promoting evil and thus should be shut down (an…

All "punishments" are not the same. Free speech means that you cannot be punished by the government for your speech. You can't imprisoned or physically harmed. But people equate that with speech without consequence and, even more, that they are entitled to someone else's forum for their speech. In authoritarian regimes we are talking about real criminal-type punishments. You're purposely conflating these ideas togeth…

I think you know jack-shit about totalitarian regimes.

For example USSR used a shit-ton of unofficial punishment styles. E.g. small time dissidents would have a hard time getting a job. Employers would be in the know about certain people they should steer away from. But it was illegal to not work in USSR :) So technically nobody was punishing those dissidents. But they had a hard time to make ends meet AND they could be easily sentenced for being unemployed if they started causing trouble.

Influential groups of society punishing people for wrongthink is pretty damn close.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by jplusequalt »

huarahuara wrote: post #881
jplusequalt wrote: post #870

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>The sexual revolution and its dreadful distortion of human sexuality. Please explain what you mean by this. >So what happens with the waning of religious identity? Various dehumanizing ideologies start to look attractive. This explains both the appeal of the sexual, racial, and ecological ideologies that have become popular recently. These ideologies promise identity and social belonging, perhaps even an alleged hig…

Not that account, but its obvious a settler society such as America has little unity compared to other societies such as Mestizo or East Asian Societies. A lack of religion, social harmony and cohesion, as well as a typical "American" upbringing leaves many feeling alone and without purpose or family. Combined with the growth of the internet, and you have many people who take up horrid ideologies typically at the far…

Identity politics have existed longer than Putin and the internet. People have been fighting for the right to be themselves for a long long time.

Also I'd posit that the typical "American upbringing" does little to make you feel a part of in-groups created by traditional American ideals.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by wvenable »

mantas wrote: post #901
wvenable wrote: post #879

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All "punishments" are not the same. Free speech means that you cannot be punished by the government for your speech. You can't imprisoned or physically harmed. But people equate that with speech without consequence and, even more, that they are entitled to someone else's forum for their speech. In authoritarian regimes we are talking about real criminal-type punishments. You're purposely conflating these ideas togeth…

I think you know jack-shit about totalitarian regimes. For example USSR used a shit-ton of unofficial punishment styles. E.g. small time dissidents would have a hard time getting a job. Employers would be in the know about certain people they should steer away from. But it was illegal to not work in USSR :) So technically nobody was punishing those dissidents. But they had a hard time to make ends meet AND they could…

What is protesting then? If I protest against a Nazi speaker at a university, which side of this totalitarianism am I on? Am I the influential group punishing someone for wrongthink? The implication here is yes I am. So apparently a healthy "non-totalitarian" society cannot allow protest...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by candiodari »

worldsayshi wrote: post #795
candiodari wrote: post #284

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THIS. But add the things you're not supposed to say: 1) a LOT/most people don't care about their own kids. This has not changed from history, of course. A lot of people have kids for a hundred different reasons, not to have kids. You're supposed to, to keep a marriage together, to get attention, to feel superior to others, ... 2) hence, they neither explain to kids what is expected of them, don't help. Kids grow up i…

You have some interesting points but a lot of them which makes them a bit hard to address as a whole but; My impression of failings of parenthood is quite a lot about (resignation in face of) partial cluelessness and the complexity of guiding your children. Every parent has aspects of personality where they find themselves clueless about how to guide the child. That can probably tie in to a lot of what you write. Foc…

I'm a parent and I do recognize this. There's a "lower threshold" below which I'm not prepared to discuss. Like going to bed, washing up, and indeed tying shoelaces. But reasons for school and specific subjects we can discuss, and see where things are going and what to change and why. No problem.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by mantas »

wvenable wrote: post #903
mantas wrote: post #901

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I think you know jack-shit about totalitarian regimes. For example USSR used a shit-ton of unofficial punishment styles. E.g. small time dissidents would have a hard time getting a job. Employers would be in the know about certain people they should steer away from. But it was illegal to not work in USSR :) So technically nobody was punishing those dissidents. But they had a hard time to make ends meet AND they could…

What is protesting then? If I protest against a Nazi speaker at a university, which side of this totalitarianism am I on? Am I the influential group punishing someone for wrongthink? The implication here is yes I am. So apparently a healthy "non-totalitarian" society cannot allow protest...

Many (if not 99%) of silenced speakers were not nazis. Unless everything right of X is nazi and everything left is commie. Which is bullshit.

The „influential group“ refers to „consequences“ like making people loose their jobs after spamming their employers for controversial (at best) speech.

Protest is fine. But preventing speech is fine. Do you want to stay outside of a meeting room with a banner? Cool. Do you want to politely ask uncomfortable questions? Great. Do you want to prevent those people from speaking? That's where it gets bad.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by wvenable »

mantas wrote: post #905
wvenable wrote: post #903

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What is protesting then? If I protest against a Nazi speaker at a university, which side of this totalitarianism am I on? Am I the influential group punishing someone for wrongthink? The implication here is yes I am. So apparently a healthy "non-totalitarian" society cannot allow protest...

Many (if not 99%) of silenced speakers were not nazis. Unless everything right of X is nazi and everything left is commie. Which is bullshit. The „influential group“ refers to „consequences“ like making people loose their jobs after spamming their employers for controversial (at best) speech. Protest is fine. But preventing speech is fine. Do you want to stay outside of a meeting room with a banner? Cool. Do you want…

I agree they don't have to Nazis.

> Do you want to prevent those people from speaking?

Nobody is prevented from speaking. It's never been easier in the history of the world to get your message out. But again, nobody is required to have a forum to speak and I'm not required to give that forum directly or indirectly. I can also use my speech to convince others to not provide that forum.

> spamming their employers

That's harassment. Harassment is already bad on it's own it doesn't have to be mixed into this. But outside of harassment if an employer doesn't want to associate with someone because of their speech, they're free to do that.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by cf1241290841 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #867
cf1241290841 wrote: post #833

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There is no story or belief that can justify unethical behavior.

you think existing is unethical?

Not sure how you got to this conclusion from the initial post.

My point was condemning somebody to existence in this world is.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by stainablesteel »

cf1241290841 wrote: post #907
stainablesteel wrote: post #867

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you think existing is unethical?

Not sure how you got to this conclusion from the initial post. My point was condemning somebody to existence in this world is.

that's even more insane

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by hackinthebochs »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #752
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #580

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The fact you even had to explain this is surprising to me. We don't need papers to tell us this stuff, this is something one can learn by basic common sense observation of the world. Why are people so keen on pretending like there aren't very basic psychological differences between the sexes?

It's one thing to notice differences, it's completely another to attribute specific phenomena to them based on these lay observations. I mean, in recent memory, the "basic common sense" consensus was that women were not capable of owning property or voting because of these observed differences. And I mean do I even need to point out that "cattiness" is not exactly a well-attested psychological axis in use by reputabl…

By your lights, its literally impossible to refer to behaviors that are gender biased without being sexist. It turns out that stereotypes typically have a ring of truth to them. It is absurd to make any mention of them verboten in some misplaced effort to excise sexism from the discourse. We cant improve things if we can't accurately describe them. It's also stupid to insist on unnecessarily verbose descriptions just to avoid charges of sexism, which still wasn't enough for you. Efficient communication is a virtue.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Shocka1 »

pixl97 wrote: post #806
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #783

A spiritual void, a loss of social cohesion, isolation, alienation, a loss of a culture that reinforces ways of life that enable flourishing, radical individualism. The decline of traditional religious faith in the West. The sexual revolution and its dreadful distortion of human sexuality. The culture of consumerism and the worship of desire and appetite divorced from reason and one's objective good. So what's a smel…

So, to piss off as many religious people as possible.... A couple of goat herder psychologist a couple of millennia ago figured out if you told people they had a purpose things in general worked better. The particular problem is they made up a whole bunch of shit and when the sciences in general came around, people when "wow, religion is a bunch of controlling bullshit". Now, I will say that religion is only mostly a…

While the historical and societal critique of religion is a common topic, I believe there's more to be gained from a nuanced and respectful dialogue. People expressing disdain for religious beliefs are quite common, and often, this approach tends to overlook the complex interplay between religion, culture, and human psychology.

It's entirely possible to be an atheist and still acknowledge the role and significance of religion in human history and society. Religion, for many, has been a source of moral guidance, community, and comfort. Dismissing it wholesale as 'controlling bullshit' simplifies a very complex aspect of human existence.

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