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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by huarahuara »

jplusequalt wrote: post #870
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #783

A spiritual void, a loss of social cohesion, isolation, alienation, a loss of a culture that reinforces ways of life that enable flourishing, radical individualism. The decline of traditional religious faith in the West. The sexual revolution and its dreadful distortion of human sexuality. The culture of consumerism and the worship of desire and appetite divorced from reason and one's objective good. So what's a smel…

>The sexual revolution and its dreadful distortion of human sexuality. Please explain what you mean by this. >So what happens with the waning of religious identity? Various dehumanizing ideologies start to look attractive. This explains both the appeal of the sexual, racial, and ecological ideologies that have become popular recently. These ideologies promise identity and social belonging, perhaps even an alleged hig…

Not that account, but its obvious a settler society such as America has little unity compared to other societies such as Mestizo or East Asian Societies. A lack of religion, social harmony and cohesion, as well as a typical "American" upbringing leaves many feeling alone and without purpose or family. Combined with the growth of the internet, and you have many people who take up horrid ideologies typically at the far ends of the spectrum to fill the void of not having a loving family or a stable friend group.

Its even worse now that the Russians have funded both the NRA and the BLM movement to radicalize both ends of the spectrum.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-revea...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144436/

https://www.axios.com/2020/06/10/russian-interference-2020-e...

you fell for the Russian Identity politics campaign

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by huarahuara »

throwaway-0110 wrote: post #868
sufehmi wrote: post #857

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This is called "anecdotal evidence" I have similar problem too, but then I also people got distressed over social media as well. The existence of our problem does not mean that other people's problems are invalid / does not exist.

I'm not saying everyone has the same story as me, and I'm also not saying that social media has no role in depression/anxiety. I'm saying the talking point "girls' mental health is in the toilet because they're obsessed with selfies" is speculative and condescending, ignoring more serious issues that teens are struggling with, and it's valid to offer a first-hand perspective as a counterbalance to that.

It tends to be middle class young women regardless of ethnicity (though typically white) who suffer the most mentally due to social media giving them anorexia. The idea that selfies harm young women has a lot of basis in reality.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/eating-disorders-...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by huarahuara »

EGreg wrote: post #126

1. Both parents working jobs, so childhood is spent with ADHD diagnosis / adderall 2. Dating and gender stuff completely changed, no more "going steady" or waiting until marriage, and not even hooking up anymore, now everything old is cringe, but not sure what is supposed to happen. First generation where females will out-earn males and also no one is really sure what they contribute to society anymore 3. The big one…

There's really one option.

Just leave the United States, if you can afford it.

There is a massive pool of men and women outside the developed world, with different ideas of dating, as well as a more unified center of family, and friends, though, many are more socially conservative and traditional compared to Americans.

Its up to you I guess, but don't pretend like the developed world is the entire world.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Sleaker »

jwells89 wrote: post #60
bandyaboot wrote: post #34

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But did it go down dramatically in particular in the early 2010’s? Because the data seems to suggest that the teen mental health situation accelerated dramatically in that time frame. One thing that comes to mind is that during my lifetime, and it’s difficult to pin down a specific time frame, the stigma surrounding mental illness faded pretty dramatically it seems. Now I don’t know if that change inflected dramatica…

> Is it possible that an existing problem has simply become dramatically more visible to us? I believe that this is a much larger component of the issue than many may realize. Never has it been as easy for young people to discuss what they’re going through, and that’s no doubt led to realizations that otherwise wouldn’t have happened. This effect likely extends well beyond teenagers, in my opinion. Across the board i…

I believe the rebuttal to this argument is partially done in the article by showing hospital admittance statistics. And if this was a factor, I trust that the authors would absolutely delve into this idea. They call out that self-reporting mental stat is not an accurate enough indicator, and choose to couple that with other statistics.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by HellDunkel »

switchbak wrote: post #699
HellDunkel wrote: post #104

What started as a critical blogpost about wokism turned into an worldwide youth mental illness crisis. This raises a few red flag on me.

Jonathan Haidt is a very thoughtful researcher and has been looking at this and related issues for a very long time. I think your dismissal is perhaps a bit too casual.

Probably- but i dont think my casual dismissal is unfair given the clickbaity introduction of the professor.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by smcin »

wvenable wrote: post #793
smcin wrote: post #787

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Haidt is referring to the heckling and deplatforming of speakers on (US) university campuses because some group disagrees with their message. And one aspect of "safetyism" invoked to that end is claiming that to allowing said (lawful, non-inciting) speech itself per se makes students "feel unsafe", aka the "words are violence" trope Haidt mentions frequently. See e.g. 2016 NYU The Forum: "Right to Say: Freedom, Respe…

It's ironic to me that "safetyism" is mixed in with screen time because it's never been easier for children to have access to ideas. For example, every middle school teacher in the country knows about Andrew Tate through their students.

You're conflating many many things, and between university and middle school (ages 10-14) children, also conflating the huge difference between them theoretically having "access to" ideas or people, versus getting recommended that several times an hour by online recommender systems, feed from friends etc.

I think you're quite aware there are severely different legal considerations on content access to under-13s, 13-17s, and over-18s, in most jurisdictions.

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Post by meiraleal »

Podgajski wrote: post #523
meiraleal wrote: post #486

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I don't deny radio frequency electromagnetic radiation could be harmful. But clearly the change is behavioral and it is not the radiation that makes teenagers doomscroll 16 hours/day.

My point is that RFEMF may affect behavior and mood. This only adds to the biological stress of doom scrolling all day. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014765132...

I think that's a lazy excuse, the same as saying the food in US is worse so that's the reason for the fat epidemic, not excessive eating mixed with a widespread sedentary lifestyle

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Post by defrost »

FrankyHollywood wrote: post #861
defrost wrote: post #858

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The 1972 UNEP First Earth Summit seems a lot more like the start of a global discussion about global warming. It marks the start of concerted white anting of the message and Koch et al funded think tanks to antiprop the fossil fuels are bad message. An Inconvenient Truth was more the start of some limited central north american awareness starring some local politician or something.

global warming is actually peanuts compared to worries of previous generations, like the cold war, school kids got instructions on what to do if an atomic bomb would fall on city! stress and worries are from all times

* It still needs to be dealt with,

* the dangers are very real,

* unlike the risk of Cold War, doing nothing does not lead to the best outcome.

Forget about the stress, focus on the reality and mitigation.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by truculent »

meiraleal wrote: post #452
truculent wrote: post #364

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> This is the kind of worldview that comes from years of navel-gazing in a therapist's office. "Why do I beat my kids? ...Because my father beat me! Now that I understand why I do it, I can stop beating my kids..." Or, you could just stop beating your kids. Which of these approaches is more likely to result in someone changing their behaviour? Is there any evidence that advice to “just stop X” is as or more effective…

> s there any evidence that advice to “just stop X” is as or more effective than causally aligned methods? There is clear evidence that taking longer to stop beating your kids is more harmful to them so less effective than just stop beating them.

… which is irrelevant if advice to “just stop” has no effect

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Sparkyte »

weatherlite wrote: post #300
Sparkyte wrote: post #299

I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. I third blame the use of social and personal ideals over community and connectivity. I fourth blame the lack of independence given to a child to make mistakes and learn. I fifth blame the lack of analogue input in…

> I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. were parents any better 50 years ago? There were no ipads but fathers were much less involved in child rearing. Also - beating up kids was routine. > I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now?

Takes 10 years for a generation. Sorry for the slow response. The trickle effect isn't immediate.
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