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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.

Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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And then immediately be squashed by the Apple App Store. The answer is absolutely to do these types of products on the devices we already own. There is only one thing stopping this type of innovation and experimentation.

I know it's not a popular choice, but wouldn't a PWA on iOS work fine for Rabbit's use-case?

There’s something about eliminating the friction of calling up the assistant. For example, I’m not using Google Assistant on my iDevice because I need to go unlock the device. It’s really a system level issue.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

> How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the actions on their cloud? Or worse yet, running instructions from the AI on your local machine?

That's what I caught too. It mentioned somewhere on their site that you'll have to provide login credentials through their Rabbit Hole dashboard panel of all services you want to use.

It breaks the services' ToS but I guess most people don't care much about giving their passwords. There's no other practical way to integrate with multiple services.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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I must be missing something here. I used to work on a voice assistant product and everything demoed is pretty bog standard stuff: play music, shop, order food, get Uber rides, ask random queries, recognize images. This also runs into the same core issue as voice assistants, which is that it's way easier to transmit complex thoughts/actions on a nice big visual UI than it is to convert those thoughts/actions into verb…

It does have a screen for output. In they demo they showed it displaying a stock graph. As for input, I suspect elucidating your desires verbally is a muscle that is developed, like learning to program or be a writer. The assistants of yore are so error prone and slow people may not have got to that level, LLM might be the difference there.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #152

Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.

Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.

I don't think the hardware is the main product. I think the AI is, but they didn't want to be "just an app" they want to be the first OS for the new way of computing. So they designed a new device. I wouldn't be surprised if they open up to OEM's to start making all kinds of devices.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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No one ever shows what these should and could actually be used for - incredibly boring and repetitive tasks. "Hey rabbit, respond to the support ticket you just told me about with XYZ". "Hey rabbit, find all of the sales meetings I had last week, cross reference the emails of the attendees with existing emails threads, and then generate follow ups for each. Keep them short, to the point, and read them back to me befo…

GPT Store would probably have something like that soon.

Man, the GPT Store confuses the hell out of me. I have no idea what is going to be in scope for this thing lol

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Right after you stopped watching, he books an entire vacation - flights, hotel, car rental, activities - and says he is given multiple options to choose from but shows none of the options, just an itinerary that he quickly scrolls through.

The idea that anyone is going to book a vacation this way is ridiculous. Vacations take extensive thought. There’s no way a voice interface would work for this even if it was the Star Trek computer.

It's a pitch to get VC funding and this is exactly how that audience treats vacations. The idea of saving or planning to do something is just unimaginable to the super rich this is aimed at getting investment money from

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?

With AI you are always the product - how else can it be "trained".

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #298

In the linked keynote, Jesse Lyu mentions that LLM won't help us actually do tasks - there are currently no so-called "agents" that do something simple like book a flight - the best way to do it is still to click the buttons yourself. Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it…

But if we're not careful this will circle back to apps/silos.

What I'd like to see is the Smalltalk approach: data providers that are able to send/receive messages, and can be connected together to achieve a goal. Even better if the connecting is done by the "machine" after I issue a command.

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