Lyu hit the nail on the head when he said that smartphones are mostly for entertainment/wasting time these days. I definitely know of friends who want to (or try to) go smartphone free, but the apps mentioned in the keynote make it a large inconvenience. A $200 device that offers much of the convenience of a smartphone without the distraction sounds like a good fit for that crowd.
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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#372This is HN... so what OS do we think this is running? Android under the hood? Anyone know more about hardware or screen res? I wonder how hard it would be to root this device and use it for the hardware.
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They have a confirmation dialogue in the keynote. As long as they do that well and for every important action, I don't think it will be a problem
Funny thing that the keynote only demoed “Confirm” and never “Correct”/“Change this”, etc.
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#374And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device:
- where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it is under 500ms? Is that just a "don't you guys have low-latency 4g at home?" moment?
- how is that tiny camera capable of parsing a small-text table with 100% accuracy? the optics just don't allow it to.
- what's the battery life with that kind of usage? If inference is running on device it must be very low. Just thinking that my GPU pulls 50-100W on average (with spikes to 200W) just to suggest code I still don't think rabbit is doing anything on device. If it's cloud based then 4g is also a battery destroyer. Maybe that's why the device is so big: huge battery inside.
The "teach" session was definitely cool. But at this point it must be magic because there's no way that thing browsed to a discord server, authenticated with hallucinated credentials and it just worked.
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Yeah, the price difference between this and Teenage Engineering's own products is wild! It's worth noting the Playdate (by Panic) is designed by Teenage Engineering and also just $200. https://shop.play.date
I was pleasantly surprised by the Play date and feel ok at this price point taking a bet that this will be an enjoyable novelty.
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#378I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there? What does it do? I found it awkward he scrolled by touching the screen across the damn scroll wheel. Just use it. At least in the keynote. And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device: - where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it…
it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.
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Yeah, if it was a Teenage Engineering product it'd cost $799.
I'd say that if it was sold by TE it would cost 2x-3x that at least. They make great stuff, but they are super expensive.
e.g. in this very device, the thin stem of this scroll wheel implies it's actually shaped like LEGO minifig heads, like 中, which doesn't inspire confidence wrt lateral plays. It could easily be made 土 or 王 or even 凸 shaped internally with only the middle part exposed, which not just eliminates play, prevents debris ingress, but also makes areas around wheel edges hidden so quality control around those areas are less of an issue. Or, the shell seen here is shaped like a bathtub with a lid closed at the backside, which means the cross section of the tub has to be ever so slightly tapered towards the front, which affects grip when picking up. And, the backside has no bumps nor there are creases in the side, which further compromises pickup. Or eg the painted wheel. It's going to be PITA to paint.
Granted I'm biased feeling always defeated by superb aesthetics of their products - but their design always seems, how do I say, not as deeply connected to engineering ideals just as it is with aesthetics as seen in Sony or Apple products.
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#380Two things in the keynote that seem faked: 1. at 13:13 there's a demo ordering a ride 'to home', then the user requests a car change to fit six people, and what's shown as a seamless switch from UberX to UberXL also updates the destination from the home address to LAX airport. 2. at 14:05 the device confirms and recites a pizza order, but the screen displays "chesse" with a typo while the voice reads out "cheese", so…