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Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

#271

This seems like one of the least expensive things Teenage Engineering has done.

Yeah it's not a TE product, just a TM design I think. Though to be honest the price is very suspect, TE is usually very expensive but this is too cheap for what it claims it is.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there has been a single successful hardware startup in the last decade, so the answer to your question is safely "no" without even going into specifics. Which is sad, because I'm sure there's room for a lot more innovative devices in the world outside of a single glass rectangle in your pocket that everyone must plug into in some way. The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to sur…

> The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to survive Care to expand on that?

Hardware companies have (1) greater costs to get off the ground (2) longer periods of development (3) higher incremental cost per sale (so harder to scale) (4) slower iteration speed, and (5) just overall a lot riskier than pure software. A VC fund is going to see a startup with a groundbreaking innovate hardware device next to one building a cookie cutter SaaS app and still invest in the latter, because it just makes more business sense for them. No one outside of Apple/Google/Microsoft and the like is pouring 10 years and billions of dollars towards releasing a new device.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Also please describe it in pictures and words too. Video only really limits where I can watch this. I’m in a waiting currently and I’m not about to just play a video like some sort of psycho.

> I’m in a waiting currently and I’m not about to just play a video like some sort of psycho. Funny enough, I think them releasing only a video perfectly aligns with their product and why I think this will fail. They seem to have completely overestimated how often people want to read or write and underestimated the number of scenarios where needing to talk or listen to my phone is inappropriate. I'm assuming if you h…

…or it’s selecting for people who would be willing to use it.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

#274
post #217

Appears that only people from the northern hemisphere can order this, Shame.

Specifically, from https://www.rabbit.tech/faq: (US buyers get priority)

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Do you ship outside of the United States?

Yes, we currently sell to customers in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, certain countries in the European Union (Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden), Korea, and Japan. We will ship r1 devices only to mailing addresses in those countries/jurisdictions.

When will my r1 be shipped?

We expect to begin shipping r1 to US addresses for Pre-Sale Purchases in March-April 2024. Shipping to non-US addresses for international orders and fulfillment of Pre-Orders are expected to begin later in 2024,but we do not have a more definite estimate at this time. Shipping estimates are subject to change based on our manufacturing capacity and component availability. An exact shipping date is not available beyond the expected shipping window listed above. Please be assured that we will fulfill orders as quickly as possible in the order they were received. We will update this FAQ page with regard to shipping within the United States and shipping for international orders with the latest information on shipping window estimates as soon as we have that information.

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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #152

Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.

Yeah, if it was a Teenage Engineering product it'd cost $799.

I'd say that if it was sold by TE it would cost 2x-3x that at least. They make great stuff, but they are super expensive.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

#276

It's a striking condemnation of the current state of things that my $1K+ mobile phone does not do anything close to what's in this demo. I would pay $200 just to have a voice assistant that isn't totally incapable of playing songs requested like "Play SONG_TITLE from ALBUM_TITLE". As an example, yesterday my daughter asked for a song from Snow White. EDITED FOR CORRECTNESS (originally I said I asked for Heigh Ho from…

I kind of agree with this. I'm not sure why the product is getting so much heat here on HN. I do think it's probably overkill and won't be super sticky, but it's at least iterating in the right direction.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Has any startup succeeded by starting out offering shiny hardware running innovative new software, all of which they have to develop? It seems like a fatal dilution of focus to have to worry about the design and logistics of a fancy dumb terminal widget when you also have to get the software/AI/app integration stuff right. Just make an app with text and voice interaction. Accept that the thing in our pockets with a s…

I don't think there has been a single successful hardware startup in the last decade, so the answer to your question is safely "no" without even going into specifics. Which is sad, because I'm sure there's room for a lot more innovative devices in the world outside of a single glass rectangle in your pocket that everyone must plug into in some way. The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to sur…

Oculus? I guess it’s been over a decade already

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

#278

Has any startup succeeded by starting out offering shiny hardware running innovative new software, all of which they have to develop? It seems like a fatal dilution of focus to have to worry about the design and logistics of a fancy dumb terminal widget when you also have to get the software/AI/app integration stuff right. Just make an app with text and voice interaction. Accept that the thing in our pockets with a s…

In the case of Humane and Rabbit the software doesn't sound all that innovative relative to ChatGPT/Copilot.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there has been a single successful hardware startup in the last decade, so the answer to your question is safely "no" without even going into specifics. Which is sad, because I'm sure there's room for a lot more innovative devices in the world outside of a single glass rectangle in your pocket that everyone must plug into in some way. The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to sur…

Oculus? I guess it’s been over a decade already

Founded July 2012. And while the company was successful in the sense that it got an exit its product isn't exactly doing too well.
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