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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by zamadatix »

runjake wrote: post #340
dijit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the risk of linking to 4chan; there is a /g/ guide to how to navigate Windows and it recommends exactly this.[0] However: I do not publicly endorse software piracy, and so do not recommend using this guide; legitimate LTSC licenses are only possible to come by for Businesses with a minimum spend of 5 licenses.[1] :( [0]: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/98121318 [1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…

FWIW, the 4chan stuff covers W10 LTSC. As far as I know there isn’t a W11 LTSC yet. Then again, if you’re reading an article about XP you probably don’t care.

This is correct, the first Windows 11 LTSC is expected in the latter half of this year.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mmgutz »

tiffanyh wrote: post #19
swells34 wrote: post #4

Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

> "all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux" You mean, are present in Linux TODAY . Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. Windows XP marked the begin of an era when corporations replaced analog processes with digital. It sounds so foreign now, but in the late 90s - it was still common for corporations to send printe…

I'd say the big shift for companies was Windows 3.1 for Workgroups which displaced Novell Netware. And for the masses, Windows 95 was the "start".

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by zamadatix »

janice1999 wrote: post #292
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

Do modern GPU drivers install okay on LTSC? Would it be suitable for CUDA/PyTorch etc with NVidia graphics?

Yeah you can install the same Nvidia driver and it runs the same. It's particularly non-problematic if you stay on the latest LTSC, in which case you're only ever about 2-3 years out from bleeding edge anyways. Beyond that it's usually non-problematic with the caveat the features your OS supports may not remain aligned with the latest features the driver supports. Nothing that should impact AI acceleration (that I've noticed) but just something to keep in mind.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by ThrowawayB7 »

rkagerer wrote: post #248
dijit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the risk of linking to 4chan; there is a /g/ guide to how to navigate Windows and it recommends exactly this.[0] However: I do not publicly endorse software piracy, and so do not recommend using this guide; legitimate LTSC licenses are only possible to come by for Businesses with a minimum spend of 5 licenses.[1] :( [0]: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/98121318 [1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…

My god how I would happily pay 5X per copy for a Windows that had all the shitty new garbage culled out (like ALL the Telemetry and forced updates).

> "...I would happily pay 5X..."

Then sign up for the base level of a MSDN subscription. Get access to any flavor of Windows you want plus their development tools too: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing-details/ Unless they've changed something, the OS license keys don't expire even if you let the subscription lapse. Yeah, it's for development use only but, as a home user, they're not going to audit you unless you do something really egregious.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by addicted »

This is misleading. The demo looks great because of the animated transitions and the large text.

But that would be a pain to use as opposed to viewing in a demo.

I remember when I used XP I switched to the classic start menu because that worked great.

There are still useful things to learn from XP. Depth doesn’t hurt UI/UX. Flatness isn’t the last word in design. Single (or at most dual) lists are better than massive grids of options. We don’t need all the pop ups and promotions. The OS should respond to the user. It shouldn’t keep prompting them.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by addicted »

voidfunc wrote: post #149
logifail wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

What among Cortana/Edge/App Store takes Windows from an OS that you shouldn’t care about to an OS thst you should?

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mschout »

bongodongobob wrote: post #45
swells34 wrote: post #4

Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

I'm coming off of an entire weekend spent trying to get acceptable latency for audio recording in Linux. Just a midi controller to play a simple 3x oscillator VST with better than 250ms latency was my test case. I tried different versions of Ubuntu, Debian, different kernels, different window managers, different graphics drivers, stripping things out of the system etc. After going down the rabbit hole, I finally ripp…

Have you heard about our Lord and Savior pipewire?

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by neuromanser »

mrweasel wrote: post #170
dagmx wrote: post #160

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XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

> 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. That was a feature, for me it was 95, 98, NT4, Windows 2000 then it all started falling apart and Linux and MacOSX because the more attractive alternatives. For those who don't remember, we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI. It was the first dumbed down Windows UI. I'd agree, the nostalgia for Windows XP is misplaced, when the version before that…

> we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI.

I've always called it Windows Duplo. :)

> It was the first dumbed down Windows UI.

Only if you ignore Windows ME.

UI/UX-wise, Windows 2000 was the best version of Windows to date. The UI was largely unified, W2k widgets were an incremental improvement in look AND FUNCTIONALITY over NT. Keyboard navigation was lightyears ahead of any version prior or post.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by neuromanser »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #341
mrweasel wrote: post #188

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> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

It’s not even the relative timing: 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. Very few home users had it. I tried running games on it back in the day, and some didn’t work. XP was the first Windows that had BOTH support for all “home windows” APIs AND the multi-user NT kernel (windows 95/98/me didn’t truly have a concept of user ownership of fi…

> 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs.

I don't dispute that Microsoft used DirectX support to push XP sales, but I played at least Quake and Half-Life on NT4, and Unreal Tournament and StarCraft on W2k.

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