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See, that, grounding of Airbus olanes, is exactly what EASA (which is European and not French) does. Spontaniously, I can think of fractures in the wings of the A380 when that happened.
I’m just poking fun at the French a bit.
United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
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Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#282Such a crappy aircraft - can we just get rid of these already?
Bolts can be loosened, or fail to be tightened on any aircraft. I suspect this may be a problem with people and/or procedure.
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#283Kind of non-sequitur, but am I disconnected from reality if at this point I do not want to fly on a Boeing aircraft?
It is really the 737 - not sure what is going on with the MAX design team - but it ain't good The 787 and 757 seem to have been stable platforms.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Boeing_787_Dreamliner_gro...
[2] https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/new-boeing-787-fix-de...
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#284Literally just flew on a United Airlines 737 MAX 9 one week ago. It seems like the craft I flew on has probably been grounded in the week since. I noticed that we were flying on a MAX before boarding and nearly asked to switch flights, but consoled myself that I was being irrational and that the planes were almost certainly fine now. Guess my confidence was misplaced.
It's only the Max 9s that have the option of the door plug, if the installed seat count is below the threshold where an additional exit is required.
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Such a crappy aircraft - can we just get rid of these already? It was a beautiful aircraft, destroyed by years of management comittees. Boeing needs to be broken up and reorganized, full stop. Congress has to act. It is simply too important and vital of a company to US strategic interests to be left in this state.
Maybe Apple, or Elon Musk, or some other person or company with a spare hundred billion could spin up a decent aircraft company?
That's more like Microsoft's kind of market, but uh... don't give them any ideas.
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#286At what point do consumers en-masse refuse to fly on these aircraft, if ever? When there's a few more fatal crashes?
As far as I can see, there's no real way to communicate this preference to airlines. I won't book a flight on a MAX, but the airline can change the airframe at the last second and it's highly situational how willing/able I am to just refuse to fly if they swap in a MAX.
It wasn't, it was an A320 as I expected.
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#287How were these not noticed in proper inspections? Is this the first time these planes have been inspected?
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Such a crappy aircraft - can we just get rid of these already? It was a beautiful aircraft, destroyed by years of management comittees. Boeing needs to be broken up and reorganized, full stop. Congress has to act. It is simply too important and vital of a company to US strategic interests to be left in this state.
Maybe Apple, or Elon Musk, or some other person or company with a spare hundred billion could spin up a decent aircraft company?
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
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Probably one of those guys that says "click!" whenever they tighten a bolt.
How many times are the torque specs available to me when working on my car? I have no idea what random bolts are supposed to be so they get the good n tight click.
It gets worse when bolts and part are of different materials (say: steel bolt in aluminum part), that's a very nice recipe for trouble (also in the long run, not just during assembly because oxidization will almost certainly occur on the interface and oxidized metal takes up more room than clean metal so unless you very explicitly protect against it the fasteners won't come out without massive damage to the part).
Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections
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They generally don't disassemble the entire plane every time they get inspected...
Shouldn't the bolts be safety wired after being torqued?
A bolt is either fastened or it isn’t. If the wire is all that’s left to hold it, then it isn’t fastened and your parts are being held together with a very weak piece of wire.