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United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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At what point do consumers en-masse refuse to fly on these aircraft, if ever? When there's a few more fatal crashes?

As far as I can see, there's no real way to communicate this preference to airlines. I won't book a flight on a MAX, but the airline can change the airframe at the last second and it's highly situational how willing/able I am to just refuse to fly if they swap in a MAX.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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This is hilarious, but I think we might be being a bit unfair. Why couldn't you use something a camera on eyeglasses while doing the work correctly to fine tune a multimodal model, and then infer to a user wearing the same glasses? Audio reply saying "nope, try again." You would need multiple frames per second, so not today, but not that far into the future, right? edit: Zero-shot, I just took photos of me "fixing th…

Because those things are a joke ?

Please refresh and look at my edit.

If a missing some major required component aside from finetuning and frames per sec, which will require a few years for everything to be fast enough... please let me know what it is.

Wait, oh it will be understanding of time... the sequencing of the frames. That is missing for now, right?

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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Random aside: I looked up an Acela ticket this morning. $1000 for a first class ticket from DC to BOS. 6.5 hours. Same flight first class with Delta this week is $850. Also 6 hours with layover. Blows my mind first class rail travel is as much as first class air travel.

Do you mean that the train is _as cheap_ as taking a plane? In my experience, in the UK, taking a train is more expensive than taking a flight (or driving, for that matter).

Why do people pay more for slower transportation?

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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How many times are the torque specs available to me when working on my car? I have no idea what random bolts are supposed to be so they get the good n tight click.

Buy a service manual for your vehicle? I have yet to see an important fastener without a specification (torque and pattern). If you are a professional mechanic, it's your responsibility to obtain the specifications and follow them. This is especially true when it comes to a licensed and certified A&P mechanic and not your neighborhood shadetree mechanic.

To be fair, manufacturers are trying to discontinue the ability to 'buy' a service manual and make you pay for x amount of time of access. And IIRC they don't format the page into something that's offline friendly.

It's still doable to get the full manual off, just not easy anymore.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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It seems there's a sense of malaise falling over everything and everyone in the USA. People at large simply cannot be bothered to care about anything, including torque specs for freakin' AIRLINERS

Culture problem as we hire people of a generation who were not educated or engrained with responsibility they avoid doing the right thing and this happens.

I don't think it's generational per se, but I've noticed a declining level of concern for safety in product design compared to even like 20 years ago. I think people got used to the idea that everything is generally very safe and now there's less of an emphasis, so given enough time we'll start seeing dangerous products again and the cycle will start anew.

Re: United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

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No, it's as insane as it reads. It means people were careless and sloppy during assembly. Think of it like seeing "one cockroach in your kitchen." It's not one cockroach. You just haven't opened up the rest of the walls.

Or it means the torque specs were a little too low, or too high and stripped, or the bolt threading was defective/spec’d wrong. Or bad metallurgy. Or the spec didn’t specify which order to tighten the bolts, so which direction you go causes different outcomes. Lots of stuff is assembled consistently and carefully “wrong”, but as specified.

idk what aviation standards say but shouldnt loctite or spring washers at least be used
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