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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Rudism » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #225

Clubber wrote: post #216

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Apple's device isn't tethered, so it's usefulness isn't constrained to a few feet from your computer.

q2 + q3 are wireless?

The Quest devices are all fully wireless and have a pretty decent existing library of Quest-specific games and apps that you can play even if you don't own a computer.

You could also connect them to a PC wirelessly and play any PC VR games that your computer is capable of running. It used to be a little more cumbersome to set up, but Valve recently released a native SteamLink app on the Quest store that vastly simplifies the whole PC VR experience.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Philpax » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 5:58 PM UTC

epolanski wrote: post #253

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The watch, no, but the iPhone was a huge deal - it started having negative impacts on legacy companies like Nokia almost immediately and Google launched a crash project to integrate iPhone-level touchscreen support in Android which had previously had a more traditional model.

This is history rewriting. The original iPhone didn't even have the app store. It was not a "ground breaking" product till the iPhone 4.

I'm keen for the Vision Pro, but the iPhone and iPod touch had already reached incredible market penetration by the iPhone 3GS. The reason the iPhone 4 leak was such a huge deal is because the iPhone had already left its mark on the industry.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by adastra22 » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 5:59 PM UTC

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macOS does follow the same model now, in case you haven’t been paying attention. You can’t run unsigned binaries downloaded from the internet anymore.

How could you possibly think this unironically?

https://wiki.freepascal.org/Code_Signing_for_macOS#Big_Sur_a...

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Philpax » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:05 PM UTC

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>Companies could offer these as a return to office incentive So an office full of people with VR headsets on? I don't see the incentive in that compared to doing it from home.

The incentive is that you can take your headset off and have a real face-to-face conversation with your coworkers. And when you want to go back and focus, you put the headset back on and are free of distractions. I tried this for a few days with the Quest 2 in a coworking space. I thought it was cool, but the displays weren't good enough and I had trouble reading small text.

You have a device that can present a virtual reality that you can share with people all around the world and you want to use it to visit an office and block out the people there? That seems a little backwards to me!

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by i8comments » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:05 PM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #51

FumblingBear wrote: post #4

I know a lot of people are rightfully concerned with the viability of this product, but I'm unbelievably excited! Definitely going to be pre-ordering one and picking it up on release day if I can! I'm sure it won't be perfect or anything, but I'm mostly just stoked about the possibilities I see with this thing.

Would be interested in long term use replacing a laptop - headaches - eyestrain etc ....

Consider also neckstrain.

People have gotten neck fractures from VR headset use.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by adastra22 » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:07 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #140

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macOS does follow the same model now, in case you haven’t been paying attention. You can’t run unsigned binaries downloaded from the internet anymore.

You... can, you know. Do you actually use MacOS, or is this just something you heard on the internet? If you're using MacOS, and have somehow not found this yet, right-click on the offending app, click open, accept the "this may eat your computer" warning dialog. You'll only have to do this once per app.

This workaround does not work on unsigned arm64 app bundles on an Apple Silicon device. Yes, there are workarounds on the developer side such as signing with a self-signed certificate. The user who downloaded it could even sign it themselves.

But regardless of holes and backdoors in the gatekeeper system, the point is that you can't download an unsigned, native binary from the internet and run it on a modern (apple silicon) device with a user override. Not anymore. You have to sign binaries in order for users to be able to override-launch on their own systems. Gatekeeper will stop any unsigned binaries from the internet from being run, full-stop.

And yes, I'm both a user of macOS and an open-source software maintainer. One of my apps has releases built using a cross-compiler on linux, with a reproducible build configuration that was tricky to get setup and hadn't been updated to handle code signing. When M1 devices came out we had to go through the painful process of replicating a lot of the Apple codesign tooling on Linux so that we could apply signatures from within the reproducible build environment, just to enable to the user to right-click override like they used to.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Terretta » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:08 PM UTC

Podgajski wrote: post #214

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> You can’t exist like that in the current MBA driven stock market. Their supply chains and customers will evaporate? Or you mean they can't access the market for cash at valuations that make sense? Depending how they operate, only one of those is existential. Any number of firms that the markets soured on simply bought themselves back private and carried on existing.

I mean in their mindset, if you’re not growing you’re dying. https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeslacouncil/2018/03/23/in-b...

Right, but once you're past the startup phase you don't need the market as a seed investor, you use it as just a convenient (cheap) mechanism for M&A or employee comp. There are other synthetic equity mechanisms for each of these that also don't require cash or "the market".

It's the "can't exist without" satisfying the MBAs that seems off. To the Amazon example, where they persistently show zero profit, that took Bezos convincing your MBAs that was fine. The option of telling the "counting things my textbook told me to count" people to ignore their textbooks is an option more CEOs could use, but don't.

I just reject the notion a firm needs market approval in order to exist.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by acdha » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:11 PM UTC

epolanski wrote: post #253

acdha wrote: post #227

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The watch, no, but the iPhone was a huge deal - it started having negative impacts on legacy companies like Nokia almost immediately and Google launched a crash project to integrate iPhone-level touchscreen support in Android which had previously had a more traditional model.

This is history rewriting. The original iPhone didn't even have the app store. It was not a "ground breaking" product till the iPhone 4.

It’s correct that the App Store didn’t exist but you’re still wrong about the impact (“We sold more iPhones in the first weekend of sales than in the first month of sales for any device in AT&T history.”). People kept predicting that it’d flop after the most loyal users all had one, and that just never happened.

If you weren’t working in the field at the time, it’s hard to appreciate how much that put the mobile web on the map. The places I dealt with went from not caring about it really at all to crash projects optimizing their websites because all of the executives had iPhones and wanted their apps to support them well. I know at least two large organizations where the remote access policy was changed, too. Having been involved with phone/PDA apps since the late 90s, this was very different from anything I’d seen with things like WAP just fizzling with almost no interest from clients. At WWDC in 2008, it was frenzied even before the announcement of the App Store – so many web developers had been able to get permission to attend because of all of that interest.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Hehohei » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:14 PM UTC

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Sun light is polarized. I literaly have a polarizing filter for my camera. And bluntly saying: yes you do fully read as someone with a head problem. You would not survive a blind study regarding EMF and your nose bleeding and would be a very famous person if you could proof that. All EMF fields we have and face daily are not strong enough at all for any 'ion channels'. Are you even aware how many fields you walk thro…

This is the second time I’ve read this Mr. interpretation of sunlight being polarized on hacker news. Sunlight is not polarized. When you use a polarizing filter, you are polarizing the light. That’s why they call them polarizing filters. Sunlight, reflecting off of a lake is partially polarized which is what creates the intensity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3049010/#:~:tex... . Light arriving on Ea…

Wikipedia has all of its sources at the bottom of the article itself.

If you could actually proof your claim, people would write an article about you.

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Post by jwells89 » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

adastra22 wrote: post #340

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Or right-click unsigned binary → Open. The system basically wants acknowledgment from the user that they actually want to run the unsigned binary in question for the first launch, after which it’ll run like normal.

Not on the most recent macOS releases. I maintain binaries of an open-source app, and used to have instructions to right-click open on first use. This stopped working recently, I forget if it was on version 13 or 14. The users would get a denial, with no option to override. I ended up having to pay $100/yr for a developer account to be able to sign and notarize the binaries. They can now open them like usual, with ju…

I keep my macs up to date and haven't encountered this. Newly downloaded unsigned stuff still works fine. Perhaps there's some sporadic/conditional bug afoot.