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Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by curioussavage »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #221
scarface_74 wrote: post #110

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I won’t buy it because I don’t have any use it for it. But $3500 for a gadget is not crazy. I look back at what some of my computer set ups cost over the years in non inflation adjusted terms - An Apple //e with a duo disk drive, a green screen monitor, and a dot matrix printer in 1986 was $3000 - A Mac LC II with 10 MB RAM, an 80MB hard drive, a laser printer a little 12 inch monitor, and a //e card with a separate…

$3500 for a headset isn't crazy. $3500 for a headset that isn't allowed to do the overwhelming majority of VR things is. Even if it could, it's not even remotely a competitive price. 90s hardware cost what it cost because that's what was available. Today, there is plenty of competition for VR, and Apple is explicitly ignoring it.

Go look for other headsets with similar features and especially optical quality. You won’t find anything much cheaper. The quest (even considering the pro) and pico devices are toys in comparison

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by JohnBooty »

the_gastropod wrote: post #67
wombat-man wrote: post #45

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What's interesting to me is that it seems to fully get rid of the screen door effect, and could actually be useable for work with virtual huge screens. I didn't really get into VR games, and maybe I should take another crack at them with something cheaper from meta before investing in the Vision Pro. Anyway, there's no way my work will buy me one, and I'm not buying one with my own dollars just to lock it to my corp…

I don’t understand the huge screens thing. The Vision Pro has 4k resolution (if I remember correctly). Most decent monitors have the same. Isn’t this basically the same as moving your existing monitor closer to your head to make it a huge monitor?

If "all" this thing does is replace a 4K monitor for existing MacOS stuff, I would consider saving up to buy one.

It would be nice to work in various locations with the equivalent of a big 4K screen.

I am unfortunately one of those people who really cannot work on a laptop screen, I need lots of real estate. (And laptops are ergonomically bad even if you don't mind the small screen)

I actually currently have 3 4K monitor + keyboard workstations in various rooms in my house. (Office, living room, garage) because I like to work in various places depending on the weather, who else is home, etc.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by smoldesu »

piva00 wrote: post #205
seydor wrote: post #141

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Every functionality that i see in these videos already exists in Q3, but presumably in lower resolution. Is hardware going to be the differentiator that makes it so much more useful? It's also theoretical atm

During the first iPhone release nay-sayers also brought up that the Blackberries already did what the iPhone did, it didn't stop it. The iPad was just "a big iPhone" that no one was going to buy, the Apple Watch was just another smartwatch, the iPod was just another MP3 player, etc. Apple historically has been able to improve on current existing technology to deliver an experience that the rest of the industry had to…

In fairness to the naysayers, nothing Apple has released yet is like this. The price is enormous even by Apple's standards, and the value proposition appears to be entirely unproven.

Only time will tell where the market goes with this one. Just concluding off pricing alone though, I think it's ridiculous to expect Vision Pro to be remotely as successful as the iPad or even the Apple Watch. Cupertino has their work cut out for them on this one, that's for sure.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by goosedragons »

scarface_74 wrote: post #249
goosedragons wrote: post #237

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You can buy 7 Quest 3s for the price. Or 14 Quest 2s. How many people did what you did though? Were those all Apple branded monitors + printers? There were much cheaper alternatives in the same time frame. I paid full price for a 3DS on day one, doesn't mean it was the right price for it to be a success.

I could also buy 10 Android BLU F92 5G phones for the price of 1 iPhone 15 Pro Max. I won’t be doing that either. All indications is that Apple will only be able to manufacturer 2 million of them. Is there any doubt those will sell out. As far as how many people did it. Back in 1992, Apple was the number one seller of computers when they started selling “low cost” Macs. Apple didn’t start struggling until Windows 95.…

Yes, there is doubt they will sell out. How many $3500 things does Apple sell? Most of what they sell doesn't come close. There's no obvious business need for a Vision Pro unlike a $3500 MacBook Pro config either.

And a Quest 3 is a much closer competitor to the Vision Pro than a Blu F92 5G is to a iPhone 15 Pro Max...

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by two_handfuls »

elicash wrote: post #163
1shooner wrote: post #142

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'Spatial video'? I guess this is just an Apple marketing term because they don't want to say 3D? Can you imagine how boring non-spatial video would be?

No, it's not the same as 3D. They are 6DOF videos, essentially, so you can change perspective.

Nah. They are stereo 3D videos with depth data. You can only change perspective very little.

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Post by JohnBooty »

Podgajski wrote: post #76
FumblingBear wrote: post #71

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Personally, I'm excited for the productivity aspects of it. I think my main use case will probably be relaxing in my comfy chair with a macbook on my lap projected into a much larger screen with some other floating windows like documentation, youtube tutorials, etc. off to the sides. I currently don't have any extra screens for the macbook, so being able to utilize some native apps for stuff like that seems quite hel…

Porn. Your going to use it for porn. Edit: geez, just don’t have a sense of humor here? Or is it the truth Then you’re downloading this because you’re embarrassed?

Humor tends to be downvoted on HN in order to maintain a relatively high signal:noise ratio.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by scarface_74 »

goosedragons wrote: post #264
scarface_74 wrote: post #249

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I could also buy 10 Android BLU F92 5G phones for the price of 1 iPhone 15 Pro Max. I won’t be doing that either. All indications is that Apple will only be able to manufacturer 2 million of them. Is there any doubt those will sell out. As far as how many people did it. Back in 1992, Apple was the number one seller of computers when they started selling “low cost” Macs. Apple didn’t start struggling until Windows 95.…

Yes, there is doubt they will sell out. How many $3500 things does Apple sell? Most of what they sell doesn't come close. There's no obvious business need for a Vision Pro unlike a $3500 MacBook Pro config either. And a Quest 3 is a much closer competitor to the Vision Pro than a Blu F92 5G is to a iPhone 15 Pro Max...

Does it have less space than the Quest and no wireless and therefore will be lame?

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Hehohei »

Podgajski wrote: post #204
Hehohei wrote: post #184

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What type of 'electromagnetic radiation' is now specially new to this device? And what health risks are you aware of, i'm not? You do know, that light is the same thing right? And you do know that even without a headset you do have radio waves and wifi around you constantly?

Light is not the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation. We evolved with sunlight we did not live with these anthropomorphic created electromagnetic polarized frequencies until very recently. And yes, I’m aware of the radio waves around me constantly and that’s a problem as well. So I was adding any more of it going to do anything to help us? http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf

There have been plenty of studies for a long time regarding this and a practical 'study' going on for now a long time across the globe with billions of people.

What is your specific worry? getting cancer?

The paper you reference states the same: "Hence, VR headsets and mobile phones are safe."

And yes light is the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation, depending on what radiation you talk about. like the light coming from the display. If you mean the specific wireless connection, than no.

At least pls tell me that you don't have quarz cyrstals around you for protection. But if you would take this serious, you do not use wifi? You do life in a metal mesh?

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Podgajski »

JohnBooty wrote: post #266
Podgajski wrote: post #76

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Porn. Your going to use it for porn. Edit: geez, just don’t have a sense of humor here? Or is it the truth Then you’re downloading this because you’re embarrassed?

Humor tends to be downvoted on HN in order to maintain a relatively high signal:noise ratio.

One person‘s noise is another person signal.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by [deleted] »

dagmx wrote: post #258
ramesh31 wrote: post #247

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>Also wonder how hackable it will be. I'm guessing if it's anything like the iPhone / iPad it won't really be. Fortunately visonOS is a macOS fork, not iOS. The idea for Vision Pro is to be a fully fledged computer replacement, not a secondary mobile device like iPad/iPhone. Should be about as hackable as your Macbook.

Incorrect. It’s clearly an iOS fork given the APIs available for use when developing for it are the UIKit prefix ( https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiimage ) and not the AppKit/NS prefix That said, the majority of Quest games are Unity based and Unity is fully supported since they were announced as a launch partner at wwdc. The input model is different though since Quest games can assume a controller.

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