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Post by saalweachter »

AriedK wrote: post #216
neilv wrote: post #91

I would've preferred that the identifying information of the person had been edited out. The phone's owner experienced a traumatic incident. Which furthermore is under investigation. Posting some kind of photo feels OK, however, since finding the phone is arguably newsworthy. And the Twitter poster says that it was open to that email, suggesting that they didn't go snooping through the phone. A little privacy redacti…

Especially since they did take the effort to redact the ending numbers of his creditcard number.

As a matter of principle, you should always redact names, at least down to initials; as a matter of practice, I am not sure the name is any more identifying than eg "Mike Johnson". If you had Mike Johnson and the last four digits of a credit card, you might be able to identifying him from a database of leaked PII, although there may be enough of them to get a collision on that.

On the third hand, including the name doesn't really add anything to the story/image.

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Post by cameronh90 »

astrange wrote: post #264
donkeyd wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also almost never use apps like dedicated banking apps or social media apps; instead, using Safari. Nearly every bank I know of recommends using apps over their website, since in general they're safer than using their websites. But I'm in The Netherlands and I don't know whether banking apps in different countries have the same security standards.

That is probably true because phones are less susceptible to keyloggers or evil browser extensions, but "security standards" have approximately nothing to do with it beyond "using HTTPS". The security model for US banks is that it's illegal to do crimes to people's bank accounts. It doesn't involve "super secure apps", bank account numbers and credit card numbers are super insecure and there is little reason you shou…

The difference is that with an app, the server can ensure it's running on a safe non-compromised/jailbroken device using remote attestation (Play Integrity, App Attest).

With a web browser, there's no way of doing that by design as the user has full control over their user agent, so you need to trust the end user is following good security practices and hasn't allowed their user agent to become compromised.

However, in the EU, banks are legally liable for financial loss caused by unauthorised transfers, so they are increasingly not willing to trust that the user hasn't just loaded their browser up with malicious extensions and malware.

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Post by bombcar »

chihuahua wrote: post #110
bombcar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the circumstances Alaska should refund the baggage fee

I expect they will fight that refund tooth and nail.

If I were an airline I’d have a flat “refund all tickets and fees for any flight involving the NTSB” policy.

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Post by bombcar »

unglaublich wrote: post #207
aurareturn wrote: post #2

A lot of things went into my head: * The iPhone owner didn't put a password/passcode? * Damn, he paid Alaska $70 for baggage fee? * Now we know an iPhone will survive falling from the sky

Lufthansa wanted $450,- for an oversized bag (300cm sides, 30kg) on a 3h flight. Awful company.

It’s often cheaper to upgrade to first (and get free oversize bags) than to play the baggage fee. Always check!

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Post by bombcar »

antomeie wrote: post #241
rramadass wrote: post #94

Damn! Apple has better QC than Boeing! Apple should seriously think about getting into the Aeroplane Manufacturing business; its there for their taking :-)

Remains to be seen if the door landed unlocked as well. /s

Maybe the last command registered on this phone is “Siri open side door”.

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Post by bombcar »

astrange wrote: post #277
zo1 wrote: post #124

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I honestly think that subtle and accepted incompetence is becoming pervasive all around, and airplane manufacturers aren't excluded from that. We need to strongly move back to a meritocracy otherwise our civilization will fall, one airplane door at a time.

The word "meritocracy" was popularized by a book whose point was that it's a bad idea that can't work. Trying it is eg how you get Peter Principled. Sortition or other random promotion methods are actually the most theoretically correct afaik.

Or the classic “nolo episcopari“ - only promote those who don’t want it. :)

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Post by stephenr »

resolutebat wrote: post #70
adrianmonk wrote: post #59

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Good thing ships aren't losing doors. As far as I know, Apple doesn't offer SeaTags.

Well, at least it was the side that fell off, not the front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

I don't think it fell outside the environment either.

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Post by bombcar »

GuB-42 wrote: post #46
captn3m0 wrote: post #20

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The new glass back phones have made themselves unusable without a back cover that offers some grip. I find it impossible to hold the phone with one hand unless I add a cover.

That's one thing I find crazy with these phones. The entire point of a glass back is to look good. But 90% of the times, we never see it because people use back covers. Seriously, I have yet to find something better than polycarbonate for the phone body. It is durable, lightweight, can make removable covers, and let radio waves go though. So sure, it looks cheap, because it is cheap, which is great because it helps m…

I’d be fine with the glass back if the phone had a thin rubber band wrapped around it and bouncy corners, but that wouldn’t look sexy in marketing photos.

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Post by jeffbee »

xcv123 wrote: post #148
ars wrote: post #134

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The phone was in airplane mode, so not actually trackable.

Airplane mode allows bluetooth, so it is trackable through Find My.

The reason being that "airplane mode" is there to save the terrestrial mobile network. It has nothing to do with the airplane, and there's no reason to turn off wifi or bluetooth on an airplane.

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Post by dboreham »

Shank wrote: post #210
imgabe wrote: post #163

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It's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

Quick data point that Samsung Android phones (at least the ones I've used for the last many years) unlock with fingerprint on the side which is as close to a zero-effort unlock as you can get.
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