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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dagmx »

brnt wrote: post #246
dagmx wrote: post #200

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Yeah though that was also the period before wide spread internet use, and when operating systems cost significant money to upgrade to . 2000 was $319, or over $500 today. That’s more than the cost of a full console or even some PCs. So you’d REALLY have to be into the OS scene to look it up, or care enough to buy it.

Sneakernet and your local friendly CD burner owner with a huge catalog were readily available here in NL. Internet made it a little easier, sure, but not much. At least for software. No, for music Napster was really what showed what the internet could offer but CD burners couldn't.

My point around internet availability wasn’t around how you could download stuff but how you could find information.

At the time, the way operating systems were advertised was in trade/enthusiast publications or the occasional tech article within a news publication or campaigns within stores. There weren’t prompts in the OS to upgrade, and most people didn’t think about their OS beyond what came factory installed. Each of the above required people to go out of their way to even know new OS versions were out unless they were enthusiasts.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bongodongobob »

Almondsetat wrote: post #148
louthy wrote: post #135

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> If you have hardware that has linux support then everything should work at install time or after install. So, if you buy something that works, it will work, and if you buy something that doesn't work, it won't. Wow, what insight. It really does boggle the mind why people don't just buy things that work. Am I right!?!

If you have hardware that is not supported no amount of complaining or forum searching will help. So either you just like to complain about unfixable things or you are unaware that once you discover your hardware is not supported you should stop wasting time on forums and go back to your working Windows environment

The issue is that discovering whether or not it is incompatible is unclear.

It's never "this doesn't work on Linux".

It's "This SMBus driver is only supported by version 10.1 of arcane library. It will work but first you have to swap out this shim for another one and configure dpkg to never upgrade it. However, this requires that your kernel needs to be compiled with flags foo, bar, and baz. Oh btw, your CPU doesn't support those instructions lol."

I'm being hyperbolic, but it's usually that after some banging your head against the wall you find that, yeah, it could work, but I'm not compiling custom shit to get my function key light working.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by majkinetor »

ZFH wrote: post #155
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #71

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Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

You're better off without the Store, but in rare event that it's actually needed for something there are scripts on GitHub to add it back in.

you can use winget to install store apps without store.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by brnt »

dagmx wrote: post #281
brnt wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sneakernet and your local friendly CD burner owner with a huge catalog were readily available here in NL. Internet made it a little easier, sure, but not much. At least for software. No, for music Napster was really what showed what the internet could offer but CD burners couldn't.

My point around internet availability wasn’t around how you could download stuff but how you could find information. At the time, the way operating systems were advertised was in trade/enthusiast publications or the occasional tech article within a news publication or campaigns within stores. There weren’t prompts in the OS to upgrade, and most people didn’t think about their OS beyond what came factory installed. Ea…

Windows releases, being not that frequent, would make the national news here, so everyone would know, if they had any interest.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by nixass »

toastercat wrote: post #233
voidfunc wrote: post #149

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Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

> why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux A PC with Windows 10 LTSC beats PS5/Xbox in terms in game availability and backwards compatibility. It also unsurprisingly still beats Linux + Proton in terms of compability. It is still Windows after all. Console gaming is not comparable to PC gaming at this point. Using LTSC over regular W10 affords you a more stable s…

Only where Linux beats modern Windows in gaming is when I wanna play some late 90s or early 00s games which don't work anymore on 10 or 11. For some reason they work flawlessly on Wine or PlayOnLinux

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by CharlesW »

1over137 wrote: post #240
CharlesW wrote: post #226

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To clarify, that’s just for the newest macOS. Apple does security updates for older versions for several more years beyond that. I personally have a couple decade+ old Macs that continue to work fine. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

To clarify, those security updates are only partial: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-secu...

Yes, critical security updates only. Alternatively, you can do what many “antique Mac” users do and use OpenCore Legacy Patcher. https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by gymbeaux »

voidfunc wrote: post #149
logifail wrote: post #37

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> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

Adobe Suite, Office, hardware specific software like those for controlling RGB lighting, Visual Studio, et. al

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by m45t3r »

timenova wrote: post #62
tiffanyh wrote: post #19

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> "all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux" You mean, are present in Linux TODAY . Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. Windows XP marked the begin of an era when corporations replaced analog processes with digital. It sounds so foreign now, but in the late 90s - it was still common for corporations to send printe…

It may have been a pain 2001, but it certainly was much better than Windows XP to install around 2006 or 2007, I remember. I had an IBM R51 (many years old at that point), which used to take 2 hours+ to install Windows XP, and it was always very slow to use. I installed a bunch of different Linuxes over the years and it extended the life of the laptop significantly. Most Linux installers already had a good GUI instal…

> Most Linux installers already had a good GUI installer on the Live CD at that point.

Yes, I think between the end of Windows XP and start of Windows Vista era is interesting because it is by that era when Linux installers got really good (they're full graphical and would be really easy, most times just pressing Next->Next->Finish) while Windows still had its ugly TUI installer.

Also, Windows at that time didn't ship with as many drivers as today, and also we didn't have as fast internet and Windows Update still did a poor job for installing drivers from random devices, so most of time after installing Windows you had a pretty poor installation with broken internet/audio/graphics and also possibly weirdly slow (because missing chipset drivers would make the system slow depending on the hardware). While Linux if you had reasonably supported hardware it would just work.

Not that this really matters. Installation of a new OS is something that was and still is mostly done by knowledge people, and generally those people can install either Windows or Linux regardless.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by senectus1 »

jessriedel wrote: post #33
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

It's only $110. How do they discourage people from using it?

it lacks a bunch of multimedia stuff. Works fine for a terminal or workstation with a simple handful of apps, but not much chop for the multimedia rich world we live in.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by whyoh »

voidfunc wrote: post #149
logifail wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

Windows 10 LTSC is still regular Windows and AFAIK all software, games included, work just fine on it. The MS Store is missing out of the box, but you can add it with 'wsreset -i' in Powershell.

Using LTSC arguably takes less effort than the "normal" versions, where you need to deal with all the bloat. In the end, though, they're not that different at all.

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