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Downvoted but why. Call a spade a spade.
The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened
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>cryptobros are one person
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#23See also: genius CEOs who react in disbelief their startup didn’t unicorn like the VCs promised! It’s workers or users who misunderstood what they were trying to do! This is how capitalism works; they business, you give money!
> their startup didn’t unicorn like the VCs promised!
I think you got that backwards
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#24> What really annoys me in these situations is how the institutions show loyalty to the people who did research misconduct. When researcher X works at or publishes with institution Y, and it turns out that X did something wrong, why does Y so often try to bury the problem and attack the messenger? Y should be mad at X; after all, it’s X who has leveraged the reputation of Y for his personal gain. I’d think that the leaders of Y would be really angry at X, even angrier than people from the outside. But it doesn’t happen that way. The immediate victims of the con would rather act as if the con never happened. Instead, they’re mad at the outsiders who showed them that they were being fooled.
See: Harvard, Dec 2023 - Jan 2024
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#25I've put myself into classical con situations out of curiosity. Even when I purposefully seek to be conned, it's embarrassing to have it happen. In my case, simple subway con artist performing the classic magic trick where you bet money to determine where the queen is under three cards. As a hobbyist magician I'm able to follow him as the subway scammer performs the drop, switching the queen for another card. I'm not…
I was listening to Joe Rogan interview David Blaine and he said there are plenty of card players where it’s literally undetectable the tricks they use, even with cameras everywhere. Makes me have no interest in playing card games with anyone but a few friends.
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#26> What really annoys me in these situations is how the institutions show loyalty to the people who did research misconduct. When researcher X works at or publishes with institution Y, and it turns out that X did something wrong, why does Y so often try to bury the problem and attack the messenger? Y should be mad at X; after all, it’s X who has leveraged the reputation of Y for his personal gain. I’d think that the l…
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#27I go through this every time I have to ask for a refund and tell a business I just want a refund so we can part ways instead of filing complaints with the Better Business Bureau and with the FTC.
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#28I've put myself into classical con situations out of curiosity. Even when I purposefully seek to be conned, it's embarrassing to have it happen. In my case, simple subway con artist performing the classic magic trick where you bet money to determine where the queen is under three cards. As a hobbyist magician I'm able to follow him as the subway scammer performs the drop, switching the queen for another card. I'm not…
I was listening to Joe Rogan interview David Blaine and he said there are plenty of card players where it’s literally undetectable the tricks they use, even with cameras everywhere. Makes me have no interest in playing card games with anyone but a few friends.
Oh, there's so many card manipulation tricks it's hilarious.
I can false shuffle a deck, I can seed a deck through shuffles. I can false cut. Tricks with my hands to 'do nothing's with a deck even though it looks like I'm shuffling or cutting the deck.
When we get to truly skilled magicians, they can perfect shuffle (IIRC, 8x rifle shuffles in a row with perfect precision returns the deck to it's original state). They can perfect cut (two cuts that return the deck to the original state). And they can therefore look like they're shuffling, when in fact they're just leaving the deck in the same state the whole time (or at least they have a plan to return the deck back to it's original state later on).
There's also hidden cuts and hidden shuffles. To change the deck even though it didn't look like anything happens.
So if I perfect cut a deck, say a silly story to you, then hidden perfect cut the deck back to it's original state, the audience probably doesn't realize their chosen cards remain on the top of the deck. (Even if they spot the second hidden cut, they likely don't realize the importance of it)
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I did this once or twice (try) to pass out like 4x Royal Flushes on Poker night to prove a point lol. Seed some royal flushes on the top, false shuffle the deck, etc etc. IIRC only two Royal Flushes survived but the point was made.
It's certainly fun. But it does make me wonder how people are supposed to trust the dealer when so many of these tricks exist and aren't even that hard to do or practice. (Perfect shuffles are really hard. But the other stuff is just pretending to be a klutz and undoing the shuffle by dropping the cards or other such planned clumsiness, and then confidently pretending that the deck was truly shuffled). These sorts of things are more believable before your friends realize you are ridiculously practiced with card tricks.
Still though, street con artists are on another level. I guess when it's your living you get much better at it.
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#29Shame and pride are such strong motivators.
My wife was taken by a very elaborate and well-crafted scam in November. In retrospect, it all sounds ridiculous... but in the moment, with kids in tow, it was very convincing. It was so traumatizing that when it was over and she finally realized it was a scam, she was relieved! They had convinced her she was going to jail and that was terrifying. Losing the money was less bad than going to jail.
It was also EXTREMELY well scripted with a TON of psychology and clever moments that were well rehearsed. They also had a background track playing with 'police station like' audio and had spoofed the Orange County Sheriff's phone number. One psychological trick that they employed was a very 'stepped' approach to the scam.
If you say it all out loud, it is obvious, but if you go step by step, each one was somewhat plausible. Lastly, by posing as law enforcement, they tugged on a natural tendency to follow orders and avoid being in trouble. My stomach drops when I think I am getting pulled over... being told you have an outstanding warrant was quite a gut punch for her.
Things to remember:
* ALWAYS hang up and call people on a phone number you enter yourself.
* If someone tells you to check the number by looking it up, they are very likely spoofing it. Hang up and call the police.
* The police don't call you if they are trying to serve a warrant, they show up.
* A judge's 'gag order' does not mean you can't talk to a family member or legal counsel.
* NEVER pull money out of an account for someone you don't know without talking to a friend or spouse.
* ANY change in the situation is a red flag - bring the money to the courthouse. - its getting late, we use an after hours processor - you are running out of time, just wire it
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Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Trump supporters are probably one of the most common recent examples of individuals being conned at a grand scale.