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What do you call 8 bad cops and two good cops sitting at a table? Ten bad cops. Actual good cops wouldn’t associate with bad cops.
Wait until people figure this out about Washington.
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I’m not advocating for guillotining anyone. That’s absurd.
Then perhaps you meant to reply to a different subthread. I'm merely addressing the upstream poster's childish argument. ("Let the guillotine come out, I want to see heads roll.")
Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…
> Honestly it’s super depressing and makes me question if we are even a functioning democracy (inverted corporate democracy perhaps?) By international standards, US ‘democracy’ doesn’t get rated that highly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Inde... .
For starters, it's a two party system.
Sharp tongues would point out that this is double the amount of political parties you'd "find" in Russia or China ...
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Please, let's keep this at a higher level than Reddit :)
Sometimes, 'reddit-style' (whatever the fuck that may infer) comments are necessary...er, in a functioning society. You could have just ignored it?
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Prison and even the death penalty should absolutely be considered for the bean-counting Boeing execs that deliberately drove safety into the ground for profit. The blood of innocents is on their hands, and yet they get to cheerfully cash in their stock options. Airbus execs seem fine[1], so they'd have nothing to fear here. [1]: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-matter-of-millimeters-...
Lol nothing to fear except the death penalty if employees you never heard of 5 reporting lines below you screw up badly enough? Where do people come up with this stuff. If you want a mass exodus from airline management and sudden collapse of the entire industry that would be a fast way to do it.
Sounds like a good way to encourage execs to prioritize safety systemically.
In either case, of course negligent decisions on part of the C-suite would be considered.
> sudden collapse of the entire industry that would be a fast way to do it.
Compensations would increase accordingly. The industry would be fine.
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I haven't trusted Alaska since the Flight 261 crash, where they failed to do basic maintenance for so long that the screw threads in the stabilizer system wore away and locked the plane in the "straight down" orientation. And fired and sued a mechanic who reported the problem. 100% fatalities.
That's more than two decades ago. People involved must have long left the company. They might even be working for other airlines.
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I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying instead of that (boom, etc) we should just make another commercial airplane company that makes regular planes, safely, in a normal way. You and I are agreeing...
Yeah, I'm poking fun at the modern US engineering model. Actually fixing the problem is much harder. It probably goes something like aggressively fire everyone at Boeing who looks vaguely associated with management and reconstitute it as a division of some company that seems to know how to build things that work.
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Umm, no we didn’t. We spent less as a percentage of GDP. But total spending barely shrank by the late 90’s. We hadn’t even started to shift spending away from piloted jets by then either. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/mili...
If you change the endpoints on that graph to 1985 and 2000, the drop in spending in the 1990’s is a lot clearer. 325 billion to 287 billion is a sizable decrease—about 11%—, especially in non-inflation-adjusted dollars. It only looks small compared to the post-9/11 increase in spending, and a larger share of that spending was operations rather than procurement.
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Commercial aviation is ridiculously safe and well-regulated. Worry about the ride to the airport instead. You're far more likely to die in a private plane or in an executive jet. GA aircraft crash constantly.
Providing an negative economic incentive for bad actors is still a good idea.
You want people incentivized to participate in safety culture, not motivated to frame others or destroy evidence to save their jobs.
People will always make mistakes and have poor judgment sometimes. That will never go away, and punishing people will not stop it. A robust safety culture expects this to happen, and builds in mechanisms to catch problems.
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Providing an negative economic incentive for bad actors is still a good idea.
We already have laws for when people are criminally negligent. You want people incentivized to participate in safety culture, not motivated to frame others or destroy evidence to save their jobs. People will always make mistakes and have poor judgment sometimes. That will never go away, and punishing people will not stop it. A robust safety culture expects this to happen, and builds in mechanisms to catch problems.
Of which as mentioned previously by Miraste/flight 261 regarding Alaska were not implemented clearly and cleanly given that the person who raised the alarm of ghr situation was fired and the situation continued onwards
Right now regarding boeing there are also boeing whistleblowers in new NGOs set up to police boeing malpractice... If only laws work and this weren't necessary, as boeing also has bribed faa staff to achieve their own objectives risking public safety