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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by boppo1 »

roody15 wrote: post #419

Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

>makes me question if we are even a functioning democracy

Obviously, obviously not.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by pi-e-sigma »

mattmaroon wrote: post #365
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #240

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> Weird how you can be a "key manufacturer" yet "go bankrupt." We massively drew down defence spending at the end of the Cold War.

Umm, no we didn’t. We spent less as a percentage of GDP. But total spending barely shrank by the late 90’s. We hadn’t even started to shift spending away from piloted jets by then either. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/mili...

Nowadays the reduction of the increase of military spending is called 'budget cuts'. Not the actual budget reduction, just increasing the budget slower than in previous budget somehow is a 'cut'. That's the reality we live in now.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by phpisthebest »

bobthepanda wrote: post #596
phpisthebest wrote: post #580

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https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-1/#ar... . https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C2-3... > The Constitution gives Congress substantial power to establish federal government offices. As an initial matter, the Constitution vests the legislative power in Congress.1 Article I bestows on Congress certain specified, or enumerated, powers.2 The Court has recognized that these powers…

It is widely known that the Supreme Court has been since at least FDR (if not longer) been derelict in their duty to limit the power of congress by ensuring laws fall into only the powers listed in Article 1 section 8 are accepted as constitutional.

Under the current "living document" doctrine adopted by the court the power of the federal government is limitless, and there really is not need for Section 8 of Article 1 as to them "Necessary and Proper Clause" makes everything congress deems " Necessary and Proper Clause" to be constitution, a moronic interpretation of the Constitution who's entire purpose was to limit federal power.

The current court is set to role back some of that, I hope it does but it is unlikely they will go as far I want them to... Which includes going all the way back and reversing Wickard v. Filburn and every decision that built off that wrong.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by xvector »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #461
poncho_romero wrote: post #414

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Where are the competent people taking the job now?

Airbus? The death penalty would apply to them too, presumably.

Prison and even the death penalty should absolutely be considered for the bean-counting Boeing execs that deliberately drove safety into the ground for profit. The blood of innocents is on their hands, and yet they get to cheerfully cash in their stock options.

Airbus execs seem fine[1], so they'd have nothing to fear here.

[1]: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-matter-of-millimeters-...

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Post by letitbeirie »

lostlogin wrote: post #258
CamperBob2 wrote: post #115

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It's like sneaking a bomb on board for safety purposes. "I mean, what are the odds that there are TWO bombs on this plane?"

‘Satisfaction of search’ is very much a thing. In my field (I’m a radiographer), finding an abnormally is a classic reason to miss another one nearby. To quote a cardiologist I worked with, ‘keep scanning, you can have ticks and lice’. https://radiopaedia.org/articles/satisfaction-of-search-erro...

This phenomenon was really useful for sneaking booze into football games as undergrads.

Two airplane bottles in your pocket, belt loop, etc. - somewhere obvious but not too obvious - can absolutely blind a ticket taker to the 6-8 you have taped to the back of your calves.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #616
mulmen wrote: post #530

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> Sounds like a great way to create an airplane company that no competent people will want to run. Is it your assertion that Boeing is currently operated by competent people? They're getting crushed by SpaceX at rockets. How much more of this incompetence will it take before someone does the same to them with airliners? Relying on being "too big to fail" isn't a viable long term strategy. It only lowers the barrier t…

Is it your assertion that Boeing is currently operated by competent people? Is it your assertion that they can't get any worse? Because this sounds like a good way to get worse. You know, they could be killing more than 0.5 people per ten billion passenger miles, right...?

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Post by asylteltine »

rootusrootus wrote: post #82
asylteltine wrote: post #11

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The A380 is the best plane ever made in the entirety of human history. It’s a damn shame it’s not used more. I’m hoping new fuel efficient engines make it viable again because there simply is NOTHING like first class on an A380.

What makes it the best? I've flown on it, and it seems nice enough, though it isn't the most comfortable airliner I've flown on. It's certainly the biggest! But there are only what, 250 or so that were put into service? It's hard to have a strong opinion about a plane in such a small niche.

It’s resistant to turbulence. It has the nicest cabins for business class and up. It has many entrances which is nice because then economy doesn’t need to walk past you in contempt. It also has more safety features than I can list which makes it very hard to crash even intentionally.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by WalterBright »

Dalewyn wrote: post #592
WalterBright wrote: post #574

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> This is flatly wrong. Look up dutch roll, the active yaw damper that suppresses it, and the FAA requirement that all of them have a yaw damper installed. Besides, the MAX is not unstable. All it was supposed to do was just nudge the nose down a bit to match the profile of the previous 737 jets.

>All jet airliners are aerodynamically unstable >Besides, the MAX is not unstable. You might want to address your seeming hypocrisy there.

MCAS was not designed to address an instability issue.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #441
ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #408

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There's also the engine-nacelles-melting issue.

When I searched for the engine nacelles issue, that appears to only apply to an earlier version (737 NG) of the 737, not the MAX. Which kinda proves my point - someone saying "I don't want to fly on a 737 MAX" may just get put on another plane that has different issues. I guess if you've completely lost faith in Boeing you can decide not to fly any of their planes, but that's going to make flying at all very difficul…

Actually, it's the new Max 7: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...

It's not clear if older models suffer from the same defect.

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