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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dagmx »

mrweasel wrote: post #170
dagmx wrote: post #160

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XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

> 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. That was a feature, for me it was 95, 98, NT4, Windows 2000 then it all started falling apart and Linux and MacOSX because the more attractive alternatives. For those who don't remember, we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI. It was the first dumbed down Windows UI. I'd agree, the nostalgia for Windows XP is misplaced, when the version before that…

Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000.

Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems.

Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with.

XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of completely different kernels.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by hakfoo »

wredue wrote: post #102
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #71

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Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

I don’t think it’s a problem to need to download extra keyboard layouts tbh, especially in a smaller image.

I think the point is more that "OS Components" - updates, drivers, optional components-- are an entirely different universe than "third-party and purchasable content", which is what you'd expect the "store" to focus on.

They should not be using basic OS features as a wedge to make sure you open that precious Store icon and log in. Nobody wants that, and the only person who needs it is some mid-manager at Microsoft whose bonus is tied to store numbers.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bongodongobob »

dijit wrote: post #165
bongodongobob wrote: post #158

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Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux. I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all. I've never had…

and? I have also run windows and linux for a long time, server contexts and otherwise (hence why I am aware of that Windows Media bug btw). My personal experience with Linux has been plug and play ever since NDISwrapper wasnt needed for wifi anymore, and aside from some extra repos needed in Fedora for Nvidia. Windows on the other hand had no official public ISO image and we resorted to sharing it around inside Ubiso…

What time period? That must be pre Windows 7? Or do you mean like a pre activated or volume licensed version? I'm not sure what you mean by official ISO. As far as I'm aware, since 7, you could just download it. Licensing was obviously as separate issue though.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dagmx »

cesarb wrote: post #176
dagmx wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

> XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context . (emphasis mine) IIRC, there were two separate lineages of Windows. There was the "home" lineage which went 3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, and the "business" lineage which went NT 3.1, NT 4, 2000, XP; for those using Windows in the home context, it's likely they jumped from 9x to XP (possibly with a stop at ME in between, but IIRC Win…

Exactly. You posted coincidentally just as I edited my post to add that distinction as well, because I saw other comments missing that path distinction. (Just in case anyone later thinks you’re just reiterating my comment)

Most people under 45 wouldn’t have experienced 2000 for that reason.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dijit »

bongodongobob wrote: post #183
dijit wrote: post #165

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and? I have also run windows and linux for a long time, server contexts and otherwise (hence why I am aware of that Windows Media bug btw). My personal experience with Linux has been plug and play ever since NDISwrapper wasnt needed for wifi anymore, and aside from some extra repos needed in Fedora for Nvidia. Windows on the other hand had no official public ISO image and we resorted to sharing it around inside Ubiso…

What time period? That must be pre Windows 7? Or do you mean like a pre activated or volume licensed version? I'm not sure what you mean by official ISO. As far as I'm aware, since 7, you could just download it. Licensing was obviously as separate issue though.

was the Windows 7 nearly 8 era.

Was running 2012R2 on the server, there were copies available online of the evaluation edition if you submitted your details, but they wouldn't join a KMS server unless you manually intervened to change the “edition” from evaluation - Joining the domain didnt fix it.

2014-2018 for that directx + download anecdote

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bee_rider »

hypercube33 wrote: post #125
ponorin wrote: post #111

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I've tried installing Windows 10 to my old ("old" as in Ryzen 2000 series) HP laptop so that I can give it out, and it took forever to install all the updates. Windows Update sucks even when you give permission to do whatever it wants; super slow, doesn't know what to prioritise, and unable to just jump to the newest release. And even then it missed some drivers, especially the fingerprint sensor, so to this day Wind…

That's not exactly fair. hp flops on its face with the software realm (drivers, firmware) and deploying windows to any is a nightmare of missing drivers. The surface is more constrained to specific hardware so I think any operating system would be easy to kick to it much like a Thinkpad.

You can also find hardware on which Linux will install just fine. We should blame to OS for driver issues or not, either way, but we can’t have a double standard.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by louthy »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #157
louthy wrote: post #117

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I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. Pre-installed Linux laptops is great - and is clearly the way to get someone less techy on-the-way . But, for most, if they're sick of Windows and they want to move (dual boot their machine) then god help them. Linux is much better than it was, for…

> installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. Did it... get a lot better recently? Last time I installed Windows on a laptop I had "fun" getting it the drivers so it could use the Wi-Fi card so it could pull the rest of itself down.

I guess I’ve always been lucky with Windows, it has always resolved all my devices automagically. The only thing I need to manually install is the drivers for my UAD Octo card.

The last but one Linux Mint install I did didn’t even recognise the mouse and keyboard I had plugged in, haha! (The installer recognised them, but not the OS post install!) It turned out I needed a slightly different flavour of mint, but yeah, the average user might even throw in the towel at that point.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mrweasel »

dagmx wrote: post #181
mrweasel wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. That was a feature, for me it was 95, 98, NT4, Windows 2000 then it all started falling apart and Linux and MacOSX because the more attractive alternatives. For those who don't remember, we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI. It was the first dumbed down Windows UI. I'd agree, the nostalgia for Windows XP is misplaced, when the version before that…

Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of…

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though.

That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other version of Windows since then, even XP was a downgrade.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by olddustytrail »

bongodongobob wrote: post #158
dijit wrote: post #142

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Oh, there is “wrong” windows: aside from the fact you usually dont install it yourself so your edition is chosen. For example Server versions are rarely what you want, or business versions, or IoT versions “Why do I require an online account” (pro? business? enterprise?), “why does this game not work (windows media player being unavailable means certain videos in game engines like Unreal can never play ;))”, “why can…

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux. I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all. I've never had…

Sure, Windows has no issues. It's why no one actually works supporting Windows.

I seriously doubt you've ever even seen a large scale Windows deployment and spend all your time on your "creative software". Is that Powerpoint by any chance?

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bejk22 »

dagmx wrote: post #160
exabrial wrote: post #127

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

Windows 2000 was nothing like Windows 95/98/Me.

2000 isn't remembered as much as XP because it was never marketed to end-users but as an upgrade to NT4 and a workstation os. Home computers at the time came pre-installed with Windows Me, that was barely usable. When XP came out, it was so much better than Me that people loved it fondly, but in fact it was mostly Windows 2000 with a shitty Telletubbies theme.

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