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NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

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Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

This doesn’t even begin to surprise me. Even on a tiny scale, myself and a couple of the other top students at our university got an unsolicited phone call from palantir about 10 min after we finished our last exams congratulating us on finishing university and encouraging us to apply to Palantir. They had clearly gotten access to our exam timetable so they could call us right after we had finished. It was deeply cre…

Sounds like a good filter for culture: discourage the people who wouldn't be onboard with company approaches, and simultaneously attract the people who want to be a part of the power that the company just flexed a tiny bit.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

I'm sure Palantir is up to just as much shit in its sales division as it is in its actual work, but normal human beings just call changing your communication style and content in response to the listener's reactions "having a conversation".

The thing is, this isn't responding to listener's reaction. It's determining their personality ahead of time through research and then executing a rhetorical strategy. This kind of focused information-gathering about a target before engagement is also the kind of calculus used by serial killers, btw.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

ah meyers briggs, the tabloid astrology of the office worker.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

ah meyers briggs, the tabloid astrology of the office worker.

I know someone who worked in finance HR for approx 20 years. Nearly every time the business hired someone who would have been identified as a poor fit by Meyers Briggs they wouldn't last 12 months.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure Palantir is up to just as much shit in its sales division as it is in its actual work, but normal human beings just call changing your communication style and content in response to the listener's reactions "having a conversation".

Normal humans don't try to communicate directly with each other through the media.

While creepier, tbh, that is also not actually very unusual for the kinds of contracts Palantir takes on.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

What would be the second in your opinion, even if it's not close?

It varies by agency — either something built in house (very bad) or built by a company that knows how to acquire government contracts, of which there are few - the set of which frankly always has worse tech than Palantir. If product efficacy is not absolutely critical, the acquisition process will be driven by nepotism or other forms of corruption.

As an example for the second case in DoD space, there’s Advana.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure Palantir is up to just as much shit in its sales division as it is in its actual work, but normal human beings just call changing your communication style and content in response to the listener's reactions "having a conversation".

The thing is, this isn't responding to listener's reaction. It's determining their personality ahead of time through research and then executing a rhetorical strategy. This kind of focused information-gathering about a target before engagement is also the kind of calculus used by serial killers, btw.

MBTI is a pseudoscience, not a magic spell to "execute a rhetorical strategy" - or again, as a homo sapiens might call it, "talk to".

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Must respectfully say that this company should not be allowed to exist. We are outsourcing state level powers to a completely opaque private entity with zero accountability. This can only end badly.

I agree with you, but every reason you just listed is a positive from the perspective of their customers.

I think it's practically guaranteed that Palantir is, or will be, blackmailing officials. Even if they never do, any lucid official will be very conscious of stepping on the toes of a private intelligence company.

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