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NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by cedws »

c1b wrote: post #8
cedws wrote: post #6

I just don't get it. NHS needs a big data platform so they go to a... spy tech company? Why are they so insistent that it must be Palantir that builds this, instead of choosing from a dozen of other consulting companies that don't have a dodgy track record? Ideally the NHS would just build it in house, but sadly it's a slow and bloated organisation unable to innovate (as most government managed things usually become)…

As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

Which product specifically? As I understand Palantir has several products and the NHS isn't buying one of them but paying for something bespoke.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by ramesh31 »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #7

Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Must respectfully say that this company should not be allowed to exist. We are outsourcing state level powers to a completely opaque private entity with zero accountability. This can only end badly.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by aredox »

walthamstow wrote: post #5

> Palantir’s Executive Vice President for UK and Europe, Louis Mosely If you're wondering, yes he is related to Oswald and Max

Of course Palantir could only be represented by the grand-son of the founder of the pre-WWII British Union of Fascists (and Holocaust Denialist post-war), and son to the famous president of the FIA and Formula 1 - who is also a racist publisher who liked to have nazi-themed orgies (and tried to silence any journal who published it).

Really, Palantir's management couldn't have made a finest choice! Absolutely no undertones here. There were absolutely no better candidate.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by TriangleEdge »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #7

Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by redcobra762 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #12
TriangleEdge wrote: post #7

Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Must respectfully say that this company should not be allowed to exist. We are outsourcing state level powers to a completely opaque private entity with zero accountability. This can only end badly.

What does “state level powers” even mean? And they’re hardly “opaque”, at least not any more than any other publicly traded company is, and held to similar account.

What do you think they do that’s so above-and-beyond what a non-government organization should be able to do? I wonder if you’re falling for a lot of the marketing hype…

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by staplers »

ramesh31 wrote: post #12
TriangleEdge wrote: post #7

Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Must respectfully say that this company should not be allowed to exist. We are outsourcing state level powers to a completely opaque private entity with zero accountability. This can only end badly.

Sounds like the perfect way for federal agencies to workaround the dirty work they can't legally do.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by worik »

c1b wrote: post #8
cedws wrote: post #6

I just don't get it. NHS needs a big data platform so they go to a... spy tech company? Why are they so insistent that it must be Palantir that builds this, instead of choosing from a dozen of other consulting companies that don't have a dodgy track record? Ideally the NHS would just build it in house, but sadly it's a slow and bloated organisation unable to innovate (as most government managed things usually become)…

As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

> As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

That is sweetly naive, unless you are talking about their marketing department

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

cedws wrote: post #6

I just don't get it. NHS needs a big data platform so they go to a... spy tech company? Why are they so insistent that it must be Palantir that builds this, instead of choosing from a dozen of other consulting companies that don't have a dodgy track record? Ideally the NHS would just build it in house, but sadly it's a slow and bloated organisation unable to innovate (as most government managed things usually become)…

Why isn't the universities being used to solve these problems

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Post by hkt »

cedws wrote: post #6

I just don't get it. NHS needs a big data platform so they go to a... spy tech company? Why are they so insistent that it must be Palantir that builds this, instead of choosing from a dozen of other consulting companies that don't have a dodgy track record? Ideally the NHS would just build it in house, but sadly it's a slow and bloated organisation unable to innovate (as most government managed things usually become)…

> Ideally the NHS would just build it in house, but sadly it's a slow and bloated organisation unable to innovate (as most government managed things usually become).

Several government departments have robust in-house data platforms already. The Ministry of Justice does, the Department for International Trade as well. I've personally worked on the former and have pulled code from the latter.

(the code I've looked at from DfIT was https://github.com/uktrade/fargatespawner )

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