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NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

This doesn’t even begin to surprise me. Even on a tiny scale, myself and a couple of the other top students at our university got an unsolicited phone call from palantir about 10 min after we finished our last exams congratulating us on finishing university and encouraging us to apply to Palantir. They had clearly gotten access to our exam timetable so they could call us right after we had finished.

It was deeply creepy, and left a very unpleasant taste in my mouth.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

> As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second. That is sweetly naive, unless you are talking about their marketing department

What are the better products that are available?

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Must respectfully say that this company should not be allowed to exist. We are outsourcing state level powers to a completely opaque private entity with zero accountability. This can only end badly.

Sounds like the perfect way for federal agencies to workaround the dirty work they can't legally do.

Nothing new then.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Pre IPO ex Palantir here. Palantir will do a number of things to gain influence. They'll find out who are the decision makers on the space they want a contract, and they'll target them specifically. For example: if they know you take the train to work every morning, and read the news paper, they'll take a full page advertisement on the paper they know you like and that you'll see. They gain this information by, you g…

Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

I'm sure Palantir is up to just as much shit in its sales division as it is in its actual work, but normal human beings just call changing your communication style and content in response to the listener's reactions "having a conversation".

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Alas, the goodlaw project have a very bad track record for actually getting positive results.

The whole point of their enterprise is that they're attempting to clarify the law, often in particular directions. That can only be done by bringing test cases. A "positive result" comes in several forms there, namely that a) the case is not thrown out and b) they then get their desired result. Simply establishing that they're able to challenge in a particular way can also be a big deal.

For example, while it wasn't GLP but Gina Miller challenging article 50, it established that laws can't be revoked except by parliament, and that the SC can police this. Our supreme court is young (est 2006 or so) and is still coming into its powers because those are defined through lawmaking in the courts as well as parliament.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

Which product specifically? As I understand Palantir has several products and the NHS isn't buying one of them but paying for something bespoke.

https://www.palantir.com/uk/healthcare/

They are using palantir foundry, which is palantir's big data platform, or how they call it: "The Ontology-Powered Operating System for the Modern Enterprise"

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> Palantir’s Executive Vice President for UK and Europe, Louis Mosely If you're wondering, yes he is related to Oswald and Max

Of course Palantir could only be represented by the grand-son of the founder of the pre-WWII British Union of Fascists (and Holocaust Denialist post-war), and son to the famous president of the FIA and Formula 1 - who is also a racist publisher who liked to have nazi-themed orgies (and tried to silence any journal who published it). Really, Palantir's management couldn't have made a finest choice! Absolutely no under…

Interesting. I think at least one Palantir's founder's hobby shares a strong overlap.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second.

> As someone familiar with the USG data management tech landscape — it’s probably because it’s by far the best product with no remotely close second. That is sweetly naive, unless you are talking about their marketing department

Let me rephrase: I am extremely familiar with the USG data management tech landscape.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Another tactic, for example, is learn what your MBTI is and tailor stories that resonate with your personality.

I'm sure Palantir is up to just as much shit in its sales division as it is in its actual work, but normal human beings just call changing your communication style and content in response to the listener's reactions "having a conversation".

Normal humans don't try to communicate directly with each other through the media.

Re: NHS to investigate Palantir influencer campaign as possible contract breach

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Alas, the goodlaw project have a very bad track record for actually getting positive results.

The whole point of their enterprise is that they're attempting to clarify the law, often in particular directions. That can only be done by bringing test cases. A "positive result" comes in several forms there, namely that a) the case is not thrown out and b) they then get their desired result. Simply establishing that they're able to challenge in a particular way can also be a big deal. For example, while it wasn't…

> Our supreme court is young (est 2006 or so)

This is not the case at all. The "Supreme Court" in the UK is the latest version of the UK's "court of last resort". Previous to this it was the House of Lords one would appeal to (it had functions to sit as UK's top court as well as the 2nd chamber). The House Of Lords was the Court of last resort for the UK since at least the 1800s.

From the Wikipedia page on the "new" UK supreme court:

"It assumed the judicial functions of the House of Lords, which had been exercised by the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary (commonly called "Law Lords"), the 12 judges appointed as members of the House of Lords to carry out its judicial business as the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords."

Indeed, the first 12 justices on the "new" supreme court where just the exact same 12 Law Lords from the previous House of Lords system.

The 2006 "Supreme Court" rebrand was a continuing reform of the existing system, not some new level of appellate court the UK had never had before. In reality, they both perform the same top appellate court/court of last resort role. You could bring the same types of cases to the House of Lords as you can to the Supreme Court, and the Law Lords presided over many of the UK's most significant constitutional cases.

There are various political reasons why this "rebrand" to Supreme Court was done, but I've typed enough and can't be bothered delving further into this in a reply. It's fundamentally a continuation of the previous long standing Court, and precedent from the many, many pre-existing HoL Court decisions is equal in power to that of the Supreme Court's decisions.

Had Gina Miller's case been say 10-15 years earlier, the HoL would have heard and decided the case too - she did not need the existence of a "new" "Supreme Court".

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_functions_of_the_Hous...

> https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/about-lords/lo...

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