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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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It used to be the OS I want. They cut the 10 years LT support to 5 years.

The IoT version (which is virtually the same as the non-IoT version) is supported for 10 years, currently until 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...

At last, IoT is good for something.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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The "Fisher-Price'ing" [1] of the user interface isn't necessarily better in my view. It took the already big and colorful user interface elements and essentially made them bigger. When the video finally gets past the installer there isn't much that wasn't already a part of XP beyond the added, slow UI animations (which is definitely not an improvement, just look at most UI research and anecdotal griping on the web f…

All of your UI suggestions are bad UI and shockingly similar to all the BS Windows 10-11 force-feed us. Hierarchy (organization) is better than search. We all know this because whenever hierarchy is replaced with search, search had to reimplement hierarchy to be usable! E.g., grouping and nesting of pinned Win10+ start menu items. Control Panel did have groups in Win XP. They suck. I always disable it. Windows 10 rem…

You'll notice I didn't recommend search, or actually anything, as a solution to the problems I mentioned. I think these issues need more research and experimentation before we can arrive at better long term solutions. Also I didn't advocate for hiding things. Instead I think we agree with the idea that less things should be hidden, and the majority of the issues I have with Windows (and macOS/iOS) user interface elements is that they don't do a good enough job of surfacing the things I'm trying to find.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

That just isn’t important. The point is that the average non-techy person would be overwhelmed by the average Linux install. Regardless of distro. That’s Linux’s biggest cross to bear

Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to. There are carrots like a fancy new feature, or sticks like “we’re not supporting this anymore, so if you want your computer to be secure you need to upgrade.” A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it…

>need to pay the bills for all the security work that will always need to be done This is in no way the business incentive of a major OS, and you've painted an extraordiarily rosy picture of OS development.

Yes.

Microsoft has already reached the user peak of their market, there cannot be anymore growth just from the OS alone, so the point of the OS isn't to be a good OS anymore, but to be a platform to sell you other things: AI (copilot integration), cloud services (onedrive integration, xbox game pass etc), advertisement (bundled crapware like candy crush that Windows 10 used to automatically install) and so on.

Of course this approach can be the one a company starts with depending on their incentives. That's what Google did with Android, they didn't start with a monopoly and won't have one in the mobile market but their entire purpose in making an OS is to lead people into depending on their services. Android's entire life purpose is for you to have Maps, Gmail, Drive and Chrome preinstalled.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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That just isn’t important. The point is that the average non-techy person would be overwhelmed by the average Linux install. Regardless of distro. That’s Linux’s biggest cross to bear

Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal

Believe what you like. I’m trying make a serious point.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

Ok if I'd like to buy 5 licenses instead of the one I need or do you know any legal way to get just one single PC with Windows 10 LTSC?

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Except this would mean being stuck on classic Win32 with MFC, and not so goodie .NET Framework 2.0.

Unless Windows XP 2024 would also be expect to be similar to macOS and Android, with .NET taking the same role as Swift and Java/Kotlin on those platforms.

Hint, this is still far from it on Windows 11, despite the WinRT, WinUI and WinAppSDK adventures.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal

Believe what you like. I’m trying make a serious point.

Making a serious point and witholding important information is an oxymoron

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

But that's like, part of the issue.

"Oh, you just used the wrong Linux. You really should use X with Y blah blah..."

There is no "wrong Windows".

Ubuntu desktop might be the closest to just works, but I'm getting more and more averse to its quirks and will likely find myself back on Debian soon.

That's just part of Linux's charm I guess.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Good quality Nvidia drivers and support for games, mostly.

Why are people so obsessed with gaming? It's unbelievable how this industry has gotten so many people hooked, to the point of accepting kernel level monitoring

I solved it by just running a console.

People look down on me for it, but the way I see it: my computing experience is not keeping me prisoner; and I value my time too much to dig about certain issues, you're guaranteed to suffer the "my FPS isn't so good I will investigate" or "this game doesn't run so I will investigate" situations.

Cheats are less common too, so there's less incentive for kernel anti-cheat, and if there was: it would be contained to my "game computer" anyway.

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