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True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by MissTake »

gadders wrote: post #124
namdnay wrote: post #12

Not living in north america, there's something i must be missing - who looks at the name on a credit card? who even touches your credit card anymore? in europe and uk you're either contactless or you're given the terminal to enter your card yourself, and I'm 99% certain the "name" that is written on the card never comes up on screen

I've sent my daughter in to buy stuff with my card, and I have a male first name. With contactless or chip and pin no issues at all.

In theory it doesn’t make sense.

In reality way too many people will use it as a weapon when they suspect the cardholder may be transgendered.

Source: it happened to me when I first started transitioning.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

threeseed wrote: post #115
xdennis wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being disingenuous. This is the quote: > It harms everyone when we redefine safety He is saying it harms everyone when being called by the name you don't want is redefined as unsafe because it makes it difficult to differentiate between significant issues.

> It harms everyone when we redefine safety How is allowing someone to use a different name harmful to everyone ?

I go by two names. A legal name and one my friends call me.

Legally I'm Pizza. My buddies call me Za.

I don't care for my legal name and don't identify by it. I haven't legally changed it for many reasons.

I am not harmed by someone using my legal name.

Verifying someone's identity should be against a legal identity as contracts are bound to legal entity.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by gruez »

andix wrote: post #129
gruez wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I double-checked with an EMV reader app on my phone and yeah, it's not there. The fields/separators are there, but my "name" is a zero length string.

Just out of curiosity, is the card number or the expiration date there?

both

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by MissTake »

camdenlock wrote: post #112
xdennis wrote: post #38

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I’m trans and I don’t. Only weirdo leftists love that stuff. We’re not all like that, but… an uncomfortable percentage do seem to be pretty out there with their belief systems.

I’m a weirdo lefty trans gal.

I hate that sorta thing.

Please don’t label.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by GloomyBoots »

madeofpalk wrote: post #42
gruez wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the OP: >but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological discomfort. It's pretty clear that the thing he's objecting to is the inflation of "feel unsafe" to include "awkwardness or very minor psychological discomfort", which might draw attention to the issue in the short…

Who are you (or OP) to tell someone how they should or should not feel. If someone says they feel unsafe, maybe we should default to believing them rather than minimising them. A tiny bit of compassion and empathy goes a long way.

People can feel unsafe for a variety of reasons. Characterizing your "side" on this issue as the sole champion of compassion and empathy is a dishonest way to avoid rational debate.

We understand that people with schizophrenia have delusions which result from their condition. Those delusions often cause them to feel unsafe. We are compassionate and seek to treat the the underlying causes, not by joining in on their delusions. Gender dysphoria is much the same--transgender activists love to confound the issue by conflating dysphoria and intersex, but these are two entirely separate conditions. I have empathy and compassion for people struggling with dysphoria, and that expresses itself in my desire to help them get better.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by andix »

alistairSH wrote: post #125
andix wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"swiping" in context of using the magnetic strip on the card? Most European cards have this kind of payment disabled by default. But how do you enter the PIN in those cases? We used to have the option to authorize payments with signature until a few years ago. But I think those cards completely vanished now.

At restaurants, they usually swipe and then bring you a receipt to sign. Yes, we still have the magnetic strip enabled. Most retailers it’s tap/RFID or chip read, but I still run into old POS hardware that requires a mag swipe (not often - I think Visa charges the merchant more for these transactions). EDIT - I much prefer chip/PIN and wish it were the default here. And wish all US cards had a PIN (some don’t, and th…

> This causes problems in Europe with unmanned terminals (gas stations after hours, train ticket self-service).

I think you should be safe with a NFC enabled card for now. Apple Pay for example works in most places in my experience (even all around the world, except US). Physical cards might have a limit for contactless payment somewhere between 20-100€. And not all devices have a pin pad to enter the required pin then.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by andix »

snotrockets wrote: post #130
andix wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"swiping" in context of using the magnetic strip on the card? Most European cards have this kind of payment disabled by default. But how do you enter the PIN in those cases? We used to have the option to authorize payments with signature until a few years ago. But I think those cards completely vanished now.

The majority of EMV credit cards from American banks are chip+signature, not chip+pin.

I had issues with a chip+signature card already 10 years ago in London. Some bars just didn’t accept it. Probably because they were too lazy to archive the receipts (signing CC transactions on a screen like in the US was never a thing in Europe).

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by MissTake »

xdennis wrote: post #96
snotrockets wrote: post #70

tl;dr: Mastercard: "We've found that some people's name could different from what their government ID says their name is, and offer a solution for that problem" Many HN commenters: "I don't have this problem, therefore it isn't a real problem"

Because it's a bad hack. If you want to change your name you should change it with the government, not each individual company.

And for many people that’s becoming increasingly harder to do.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by mcphage »

gruez wrote: post #109
madeofpalk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you (or OP) to tell someone how they should or should not feel. If someone says they feel unsafe, maybe we should default to believing them rather than minimising them. A tiny bit of compassion and empathy goes a long way.

>If someone says they feel unsafe, maybe we should default to believing them rather than minimising them. A tiny bit of compassion and empathy goes a long way. Okay but surely you must agree that there are limits to how much we as a society should believe? Portraying yourself as being oppressed is an effective way to garner sympathy and resources from society, so people are incentivized to use language that makes the…

> Okay but surely you must agree that there are limits to how much we as a society should believe?

There are limits, but the idea that American society is too nice, or takes concerns too seriously, is beyond laughable.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by camdenlock »

snotrockets wrote: post #128
camdenlock wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my body is capable of producing “0”-style gametes, not “1”-style gametes (feel free to substitute the usual names for each sex, but you get the point).

One of your sexes, perhaps: there isn't a single marker for sex (and some of those we like to think of such markers aren't binary, but we can drop those for this exercise)

“Markers” are irrelevant. Either your body is capable of producing male gametes or it’s capable of producing female ones.
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