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Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #48

The terminology makes me laugh and I think of schismatic churches. If you investigate the seedy underbelly of Eastern Orthodoxy, you will find many splinter groups which claim that the main bodies have committed apostasy and lost the faith. Therefore these small, schismatic groups, sometimes with limited clergy resources, will name themselves "True Orthodox" or "Really Truly Orthodox and We Mean It This Time". Genera…

Bizarre means "very strange or unusual", but the scenario you described happens often.

An assumed name or alias is a part-time name used for a specific purpose; the definition does not extend to a new name used as an individual's full-time name.

> As Pontius Pilate was heard to remark, "What is Truth?"

And as we know, Jesus replied: "Check the dictionary."

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by camdenlock »

snotrockets wrote: post #113
camdenlock wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sex is not bimodal, it’s binary. We as a society have to be able to just get past this. I, for example, am a male (sex) - but I identify as a woman (gender identity). These two things can be true at the same time, and do not conflict.

Biological sex markers are bimodal. Just ask the nearest health researcher: there isn't a single one that is strictly male or female.

That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my body is capable of producing “0”-style gametes, not “1”-style gametes (feel free to substitute the usual names for each sex, but you get the point).

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by gruez »

nilespotter wrote: post #106
sokoloff wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine there’s a chance that you might be wrong. How would you possibly know the false negatives (the ones you “missed”)?

Good point, I guess they could also be Men In Black aliens too and I wouldn’t know that either.

That doesn't answer the question. How are you so sure that you're not missing out on any? It's not like at the end of the year you get a report of all the trans people that you missed.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by gadders »

namdnay wrote: post #12

Not living in north america, there's something i must be missing - who looks at the name on a credit card? who even touches your credit card anymore? in europe and uk you're either contactless or you're given the terminal to enter your card yourself, and I'm 99% certain the "name" that is written on the card never comes up on screen

I've sent my daughter in to buy stuff with my card, and I have a male first name. With contactless or chip and pin no issues at all.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by alistairSH »

andix wrote: post #76
alistairSH wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American banking (including point-of-sale and credit cards) is largely a decade behind Western Europe. But, apart from restaurants (which continue to inexplicably swipe cards out of sight), most major retailers use chip/pin or chip/signature (and the sig is only ever checked if the salesperson feels a need, which is rare).

"swiping" in context of using the magnetic strip on the card? Most European cards have this kind of payment disabled by default. But how do you enter the PIN in those cases? We used to have the option to authorize payments with signature until a few years ago. But I think those cards completely vanished now.

At restaurants, they usually swipe and then bring you a receipt to sign. Yes, we still have the magnetic strip enabled.

Most retailers it’s tap/RFID or chip read, but I still run into old POS hardware that requires a mag swipe (not often - I think Visa charges the merchant more for these transactions).

EDIT - I much prefer chip/PIN and wish it were the default here. And wish all US cards had a PIN (some don’t, and those that support it usually need it enabled explicitly). This causes problems in Europe with unmanned terminals (gas stations after hours, train ticket self-service).

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by gruez »

foogazi wrote: post #108

Some accounts in the comments really care about what name is on my credit cards Weird when compared with the tech ethos of anonymous internet transactions ( crypto for example)

> Some accounts in the comments really care about what name is on my credit cards

Which comments are those? From my skim most people objecting to this are skeptical it works, rather than insisting that the name on the card matches your legal name.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by ninthcat »

klabb3 wrote: post #107

> the clerk looked at him with suspicion and questioned his card, which was still printed with the name he had used before transitioning > A quarter of those surveyed say they have not changed their gender marker on their formal ID, discouraged by the expensive and time-consuming process So you change your name on your card, while having a government ID with a different name. And that’s supposed to make things less s…

> How about I authenticate with the payment provider instead of some random store clerk? I don’t want the merchant to even see my name at all.

Apple Pay and Google Pay don't show the merchant the cardholder name IIRC, and they authenticate you with biometrics, although the merchant may still use AVS and therefore ask you for your zip code.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by snotrockets »

camdenlock wrote: post #122
snotrockets wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biological sex markers are bimodal. Just ask the nearest health researcher: there isn't a single one that is strictly male or female.

That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my body is capable of producing “0”-style gametes, not “1”-style gametes (feel free to substitute the usual names for each sex, but you get the point).

One of your sexes, perhaps: there isn't a single marker for sex (and some of those we like to think of such markers aren't binary, but we can drop those for this exercise)

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by andix »

gruez wrote: post #119
andix wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Payments with the magnetic stripe is something that’s long gone in Europe. More than 20 years. Some devices may still support it (for US tourists), but I haven’t seen anyone using it for over a decade. I doubt that the number and the name can be read via EMC. Otherwise you could easily read strangers name in the subway by just holding your NFC Android phone close to their wallet. And HN would be full with such storie…

I double-checked with an EMV reader app on my phone and yeah, it's not there. The fields/separators are there, but my "name" is a zero length string.

Just out of curiosity, is the card number or the expiration date there?

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by snotrockets »

andix wrote: post #76
alistairSH wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American banking (including point-of-sale and credit cards) is largely a decade behind Western Europe. But, apart from restaurants (which continue to inexplicably swipe cards out of sight), most major retailers use chip/pin or chip/signature (and the sig is only ever checked if the salesperson feels a need, which is rare).

"swiping" in context of using the magnetic strip on the card? Most European cards have this kind of payment disabled by default. But how do you enter the PIN in those cases? We used to have the option to authorize payments with signature until a few years ago. But I think those cards completely vanished now.

The majority of EMV credit cards from American banks are chip+signature, not chip+pin.
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